Horse Racing Journeys - The Talk Show

Good afternoon.

What's going on, Sean?

Great, man.

Hey guys. We are live.

Great, great, great, great, great that is Brett Callaghan.

How's your day been, Sean? My day's great. My day's great. Getting ready for our big day today. And we are here ready to roll with this show. We are going to be sharing people's journeys from the beginning to where they are right now.

We have to find all these great people have got to where they are and this is our new show. Well, let me say thank you for asking me to be your cohost on it, and it's a pleasure being here with you also. You're very welcome.

And I I, I mean, we did a show together. You were one of my. And I was so impressed with you that I'm so happy that you agreed to come and work with me as my cohost.

Um, I have to give some thanks also to Mr. Brett Callaghan Total Barbados, um, you have done this, which has been your baby. You, you did all this for us man. And I appreciate you for this. Really appreciate. No problem. My brother. Really, really thank you my friend.

School mate, Sean Hammer for doing all the graphics and the photos and everything that you see that makes this show looks good on social media.

Sean Hamma, much thanks to you, my brother, my school mate. We met School Common Mirror together. We're still great friends. Anytime I call on you, you help me out and I I thank you for that, man. That's what friends are all about. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Well, let's get this show on the road and first of all, before we get this show on the road, I, you had some horses run last weekend and I didn't think you didn't get the results you expected, but the horse "Corsi," which is, you know, from here in Canada, he ran here.

He was, we expected great things from that horse, but he had got hurt and now he has ventured down to Barbados and you seemed to be doing some great work with him down there. We saw him, had some lovely works and stuff down there. You say you're doing a lot of beach work and stuff with him. Um, how he, did he come outta that?

He came up the race. Excellent. Boy. I, I'm so happy with his horse. I mean, the track was not the best at the time when he ran, you know, it was a little, a little chopped up and he was on the rail and that stuff kind of stuff. But, um, he has come out his race, well, he's eating well and, um, we are looking to, to go forward with him in the future.

I mean, there's nothing to make us worry that we have to think other plans. Well, that's great. So we don't expect him to retire to stud yet. Then we'll see him one more, at least a couple more times before he does go to stud. Yes. Well, and everything that we do, we always have to, um, pay some bills and we have to go and do that right now.

Hi Leroy. We have our first sponsor. We have a especially guest today, "Mr. Mohommed Mohamad" from the Barbados Turf Club, who has come by to, to speak with us. We like to thank them and, and "Rosette Peirce" for, for the sponsor ourself. But he's here today to talk to us about what, what we can do for the Barbados Turf Club going forward as a sponsor.

Mr. I would like, would like to welcome you Mohamed. Hi. Thanks. Thanks Sean and Leroy and new team because there are a lot of behind the seeing people and just like to thank everyone. Making Barbados Turf Club come aboard. Being part of this journey and a continuing journey as well. A little about myself. Um, I'm "Mohamed Mohamed." I'm the Barbados Turf Club Liaison Officer. I'm also known on social media as "Macmood Tata", the Barbados Turf Club are very pleased to be associated with the program "Journeys," which is hosted by Sean Hall and Leroy Trotman. It highlights some of the achievements of the persons in, in the horse racing industry for our beloved island Bartados. I hope everybody enjoys viewing.

Great, great, great, great. Now we want to encourage people also with the online betting and stuff like that. Can you give us some more help with that, please?

Yes, it is very simple. They need to go to our website, www.barbadosturfclub.org. All, all common. And when you go onto the website, you can just click on the, on the, um, link to say, um, online betting where you can buy vouchers and so. And so you can be in timbuk too. Right now. You can be on Barbados racing. I mean, we have a wonderful race. They're coming up or when is the April 27 where the feature will be the Barbados Guineas. That has, it is a very open feel and more attracted to some of the Barbadians that are here. Is the evening, going into night racing.

I know a lot of Barbadians into the night racing. So, and the next day is a public holiday. Heroes Day so they all can come up and enjoy the, the evening.

So Mohamed, you're saying that me here in Canada now, as we watch a lot of races from bar from here in Barbados, now we're out able to bet on your races.

Now I can make some Barbados money, you're saying?

Yes, it's all got started. Covid might be a blessing in this guys. It came all about when Covid and we started back racing. We couldn't get the crowds to come, so we opened up the online betting. It took a little time to to to get started as anything new. Um, people get the Jiff of it and eventually they catch on.

Well that's very good to hear from my part of it, which I'm hearing Canada, you guys and Barbaods is because we'd be able to watch, um, "Caymanas Park," which in Jamaica on our HPI bed up here. And it's so nice to know that we're gonna be able to bet on Barbados just racing right now. So that's a wonderful thing for me and for my guys up here. Thank you guys for finally getting us to be able to not just watch racing, but to also bet on.

Correct wa watching the races live. It's also a bigger attraction. Just go on the website again for those who don't know, um, Ray Light. Watch. Ray Light. Thank you. Great. And there's, Well, one thing I would like to mention also is that our riders, this is a good opportunity to, to get our Barbadian riders more familiar with the, if, you know, showcase for hearing with things up here, period.

We want people from Canada to notice the next stars that are on the horizon. Correct. In the future, we have more Barbadians in Canada riding. Right. Tell me there that, that's the wonderful thing of what your show is gonna broadcast for them now, Sean. So you are the wonderful thing that you are doing for your show that you, you know, inviting us as Canadians up meanwhile Barbadian Born to see what you've been trying to do for a while now, and now we're able to sit back, watch it, and also bet on it.

Now, I, I can, in here I can say that the horse racing industry is a exporting industry for Barbados. That's when you look at it, you know, Correct. Very well say import from grooms, trainers, jocks, even, um, trainers and, and grooms turn into owners. I look at how Darwin Clark did sent Send Back, gave back to Barbados. So it, it is a positive thing.

So it's not just coming or see a couple of horses going around to Garrison or Afternoon. It's an industry and it's a, and it's a export market for it. But why would like to see more owners from Barbadian owners, even Canadians want to races horses here in Barbados. That would be excellent. Yes. Darwin Clark has, uh, behalf, has started a very good thing with you, Sean, and, and let, So it continues to grow.

I know he intends to make it grow because he's not just into racing and he wants to do the in here too.

Yes, correct. Correct. Yes. So that'd be great looking forward. I mean, on, on many it could be existing, could get so big if we do it correctly. And I'm very happy to have you guys on board. It means a lot to, to me and, um, you see what the future brings and hopefully we many more, many more sponsors knowing that we can promote so much more of our game that we love so much on our show.

As I said before, Barbados Turf Club and it's team headed by "Mrs. Rosette Peirce," are absolutely delighted to be part of this journey. Well, we thank you guys very much. Thank you very much for that, man. You're welcome. Appreciate that. And I wish the "Barbados Turf Club" only the best going forward. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Uh, Sean? Yes. Wonderful, wonderful.

So I'm gonna let you do the honors of introducing your man, "Mr. Jono Jones." Come in the set. Jono . Hey guys. What's going on man? Cool man. How's it going? Everything good? Well, you guys tonight, we're all good, good and comfortable, relaxed and ready to enjoy what you got to share with us.

Your journey. Jono, we want to hear your journey. You've been many places, your father, great champion, you followed in hit Footsteps, you became a champion, Barbados, Martinique, and you, you won Champion. Champion like races in Canada when you win in million dollar races and that kind of stuff.

So before you jump into that journey, could you tell me how much pressure as a starting with your father doing, accomplished the amount of accomplishments that he has, being the first Barbadian rider to win over a thousand races in Trinidad and you know, falling into his footsteps, winning I think he went 11 Derbya in Barbados, another five in Trinidad, falling into his footsteps. Was there a lot of pressure onto you or how did you handle that?

Yeah, it started, no, it took me a little while to win race again I used to get call all kind of things, Boy, , and I see, I, I, it happens. I seen it happen. The same thing with your son too.

I think it took your son 30 mounts before he got his first win also. Yeah, but he, he, he would, he informed me that he wanted, he wanted less races than me.

Confidence. That's confidence. That's sounds like confidence. So that's what you mean, that, that, saying that from your father's point of view and yours, Let's hear about yours. Where it started. Sean, To be honest, i, I, I, I was always around horses from small, I always wanted to be a jockey and that was it. I remember, and no fancy story, I farms around horses.

I just end up on horses. I remember as a youngster myself, going up to your father's farm in Neils Plantation. I used to there, allowed me to ride a horse called Sail Away. You were a little kid, about four years old. Four or five years. Half your head was bald cause you used to pull your hair out. , that should say that in front people. Well I'm talking the truth. Half your head used the bone. He had his hair and half was missing. He used to pull his hair out. He used to be in the stalls with the horses used to see him just going in and out to stalls as a little kid. So you knew from back then that this is going to Yeah. Evolve into, as they said, ain't no, there ain't no fancy for tales with me yet.

I born raises around them up doing it. Okay. You know what is when, when I was 11 years old. Not raised shock. Correct. Correct. And that's the difference between Canada and Barbados. We do or youngsters do things from very young by the time we are 20 and 22, 23, we are veterans veteran jockies already. And absolutely that is the beauty about, um, riding the, starting the islands I would always say than North America because we are low to, to to, to chase our dreams from very young and know some of us, we are born to do it, you know.

Yeah, I think I started writing races when I was 14. 14, that's right. Mm-hmm. . That's right. . I started at 14 too. So I mean that's what I'm talking about between young, down here. I'm still in the business doing other things obviously. But that start, that's for you. I'm not . That's your, you are still in the business too cause your son is in it.

My son, Yeah. . But General at the same time, your son had a spill last weekend, correct? Yeah. And I mean, from us up here, we hear a lot about that and we are so close to you as a writer up here and a lot of guys, you did ask a question, How's your son now? Can you tell us more about how and stuff like that?
He'd be alright. I mean he, I think he bows his head pretty hard. So the doctor advised for not the right for five weeks. Okay. But other than that, he's fine. He's walking around, he's talking just I guess a bit shaken up. Okay. Okay. Well that's good to hear that the guy's up here know that. And we also know that he's supposed to be venting up here to, to start his career up here.

Also bringing his stack to, to Canada too. Yeah. Yeah. We were coming on the 25th, but because of he just can't write for, for five weeks. It didn't make sense coming so early. So coming on the 19th of um, May now. Okay. All right. That's good. That's good. Well, we're looking forward to see him coming up here and starting his new venture up here and see if he can do better than his father.

How about that? So, so John, have you been canvasing some of those big barns that won those million dollar races for, for him? Not yet, but I will be. What are you waiting for? Well, I, I'm here, there, there . So as soon as I get there I, I would go, my friends. Oh, so you haven't made any calls yet? You haven't made no calls to, Not really.

Not all rolling. No, no. . Well, we still wanna hear about your journey though. You know, help us, help us to know and understand your first day at the, at at, um, Garon Savannah on your first horse and the feeling and everything about that, that, you know, that you started off with. Yeah. You obviously as a, as a 14 year old, it was great to be right after the first time I think I wrote a horse called Gin and Ginger was my first ride.

Oh Lord. And um, yeah, it didn't do so well. Took me a little while to win a race. I eventually won a apprentice race for Laine. Actually Uhhuh now was my first winner. And and what about, um, I mean you, you, you started, I. When you start winning, you just, you didn't stop though, you know? Yeah. Well, you know, once you start winning, it starts happening.

Yes. I won a few races, then I went, turned out I won a race and then came back here and I think my 10th or 12th race I wanted Darby. But that's when I'm trying to say you won Darby's, not one Darby's. Yeah. Well, you were, you were Crown Apprentice champion in, in 91, right? At 15. Yeah. Correct. Correct. Okay, so you also, when you first as an apprentice also?

Yeah. Wow. Correct. Wow. Well, and later some more. Then from there, where, where did you go from there then that the next year I went to England. Actually, I met the new market for this birthday summer. Okay. I spent mostly the summer there. Yes. What was that like? That was nice. Different. Different for sure. And who were the trainer you were attracted, Um, attended to?

Who you tied into? Yeah. I was with Sir Michael. Oh dear. It was very nice to take me in and I, I mean, I learned a lot. I learned a lot being there for that year. Yes. I actually came home that summer. Yes. And one Darby for, for, for his father. What Stout. Great. But that'd be 92 I think. Yes, yes. One Darby event.
Some last that year. Well, that was a bit of a, it ran second and when I got disqualified. Okay. Okay. When is win? Yeah. When, however, it. Exactly . So, but so after, I know you had win two titles in Martin, correct? Or one, To be honest, not even surely. Right. But I used to do, I been a lot of races down there. Okay.
From what I was reading in 94, 95, you were mar you win two titles in Martin? From what I was reading that, that was after England or before? No, that would be after England was after England. 99, 92, 92 was England. Oh, 92 was England. So you came, Okay. All right. And then, then, then how much, um, did you win a a, a title as a journeyman too or Here?

Yeah. How many titles you went as a journey? Yeah. And then um, right, so I, from like then about 97 and I think I went a little bit wayward and I came back in 98. I think I won a championship at 90 or 99. Then I went count in 2000. So when you say wayward, explain that. Come on now. What's you got? Heavy weight.

Started. Get outta control. Don't ask me. Oh, okay. Um, we, we, we, we really don't wanna hear any lights, so we won't ask you why.

trying to say like, the too much and Okay. Like, like the good life. The good life you're having a little too much fun all. So what brought you back to reality to realize that you gotta get this? No, you gotta get this thing going, man. Tell me.

Yeah. Well it started properly mm-hmm. and, um, actually met my, my Sarah who ended up marrying and she put me on a diet and we got back and the way it got back going good. And then 98, 99, I was going very well, actually writing a lot for March time. Uh, and then Patrick met me in and told me that they gonna come out the candor and um mm-hmm.

I think I actually got the lawyer's number from Brett Callahan and Brett got all of him and he opted it up. And that was that, you know, Patrick always said that you were on the rated rating, Bobby, you didn't get, you didn't get, you know, the recognition that you deserve. Patrick always says that about you.

Yeah. So I'm sure he encouraged me to go to Canada, that that. Well, thank God he did because we got to see you do some, um, you know, some great things up here for us up here. As you know, as Barbadian, guys seeing you writing opinion. I know you got had a lot of fans in Barbs. You need falling from your father and then you and your father's footsteps and then you coming up here doing it, you know.
Yeah. I guess coming up went and when I got the gander, I guess a bunch of guys were there before me that the agents were, were, were well known, you know, so let here being the Navy champion and just wanted go cut that year and whatever, whatever. So let's sail right off the bat, you know? Yeah. Let's go back a little bit to Barta a little bit though.

Which would be your most memorable goal? Cup

You mean you wanna enjoy the more so the most memorable? Well, one or, or the other. The first one was obviously the most memorable cause I get knock out, explain that. Knock punched the air and the horse ducked a little bit and it ended up in a bit of a tanked up with some horses behind me. Wow. So you never made it back in the winter circle, you're saying? No, no, no.

show for about two weeks. You got, you got knocked out on the Gallup out. Yeah, but probably about 10 hours after the wire , I think. I think it's time for Brett to show that that victory. Come in Brett of only boys. You can show that one . Hi guys. . We got all three gold cups. It's 2000 and 10,000. Gold cup is underway.

The San Lane Gold Cup underway. They've got a mile to run and with regard is the early leader Peace. Envo is up early so to Feda Rico, these three have it together as they come with a mile pole and they have that to go. It is peace envoy who shows in front down the, and they turn for home for the first time.
It is peace envo at a really good clip. Then comes in the second rank where with regard Royal Mile is there. Jan act down on the inner going smoothly. Feder Rico. Then blast of storm is in behind these Kira lady goes smoothly. Bobby's dream and Keck is the trailer around the top turn 24 and two for the quarter they've got six full longs to run and the leader is peace.

Envo down on Nna length and a half. Claire of Fedco who goes nicely with regard is on a tight holder half back then about a length and a half back comes on the outside. Comes royal mile between horses comes act. Then the uh, then the next one through is Bobby's Dream. The trailer at the moment is Kira lady.
They got for to run and they start the uphill climate is peace Envoy with regard. Here comes blast of storm getting into it on the outside, down on the inside Janac. Bobby's dream goes well. So to does key fact. Uh, Royal Myers lost some ground key. Rob lady is the trailer. They come over the top of the hill with about two and a half to run it.

He is now blast of storm and and tackling peace. En boy still down on the rail. These two have it together. Blast of storm now sticks his head in front. Peace en boy fights back. They've got a couple links back to Janac, who's still in it. Then comes with regard. Bobby's dream, the others are out of it. They turn for home at his blast of storm, who now comes to, gets a stick on the outside.

Janac is not out of this at all. They turn for home at his blast of storm. Here comes Janac down on the inside, pizza and boy. But Blast Storm being ridden out violently absolutely by Jonathan Jones. He's going very wide on the outside and he comes to the line, but he's wandering all over the track. Glass ofs, storm winds it by a length and a half from Janak.

Then about two length back to pizza, Envo on the inside. The next one through is, and they've had a fall. Couple of horses have gone down with regard as one of them, and that one's a 40 looks to be damaged. And but that glass of storm who went wide and Jonathan Jones is down on the ground as well, holding his head.

Oh, there. Oh what there.

you not only created history by winning a goca, you created history by not making it back to the winner circle by.

He made it back two more times in 2001. You could not, um, the video. So that's not a bad thing. Anyhow. Yeah, it's not right. Let's see the other gold cups that we, that he won. So storm goes in the start, puts some other orders on a straightaway arresting over 1800 meters. The two 20th running of the Gold Cup is on its way.

Unchallenged goes on to the lead very early on. The inside propane is right there upon the outside piece on Voy Black. Sage Ali shows early on the outside as well. Jeanette, following those blast of storm is well settled on the outside of those. Then comes behind that awar towards back bunch with Fat Murphy City of Lights and Captain Blind.

That's the way they come down to home stretch. For the first time it's SW that goes on the lead SW from unchallenged and Peace and Void together. On the outside of blast Storm between horses is another decision. Awar on the inside would Ram Sammy riding tight Fat Murphy right there. Black Sage Charlie on the outside.

Weight of four. Then on the inside city of Lates Cap 10, blade past a five and a half hit's SW on a lead by three from UN Challenge Peace UN Body. The outside then comes Propan on the inside and as they continue their journey up the back Switch's still going very well on challenging peace and boy cruising on the bridal.

Another three length back to blast of storm propane on the inside. Another decision out why Oahu suffered at the bottom bed. Has a lot of work to do. Captain Bly well out of it of Soto City of Lights and Black say Alley is beaten as they race with three to go in the go Cap, peace and void. The all winner comes up to show his form and he takes over from Stable Companion unchallenged.

The three links clear of AOI and in factor on the inside Blast of Storm are behind her. These behind
for home in front to the threat, the inside, these Captain Blind. Another position running
Captain. The capture behind
that one beating black stage.

All right. That was better . At least I learned from Miss Mistake. Huh?

I don't think, I don't think I ever did that again, man. . But the good thing what, what, what I'm going to talk about notes on is your third wind with this horse blast. The. And you remember, you know, But that good song, because you, the second when he came up to Canada Yes. And you were helping Bill with that at that time with him in Canada.

Yes. Yes. And yes and yes. And he ran to e he ran to very good races. Yes. And um, yeah, we were begging, We were begging Bill to run him in the state. Chris, you remember? Correct. We begged Bill. He said, I, Bill said, I'm going back home. Get away. I don't, I don't, I don't like to place. I just grumbling and . But what I remember, most of all, I remember John told me, Sean, I don't like how holded horse feeling, and if you could get one, my vets look at him.

I remember that. Yeah. I got on a horse and I could see he was hitchy behind. He was moving right behind. I got Lee guitar to do some work on him. She did some brilliant work. I got on him first and they said, Jonna, tell me what you think. No. Jonna said, Lord, He used to feel like a Toyota know, He feel like a Mercedes-Benz

Not only that, he, he had the work done or whatever. Then he went back home. I don't know if anybody ever treated him before they broke up. We never raised before the Let woke up, huh? That's right. I think he did. That's right. Straight from the left. From chemistry into the Go Cup. Yeah. Yes. I know, I know. You know who he beat.

Oh, remember who Mal, which I, I train Worley, right? Mallet, Yeah. I train Worley and all. When, when John of Flash passed the pool beat me and always says, I wonder if I didn't help him do that work, , would he be thorn in my side right now?

that's the biggest , but you know what I mean. I mean, it was, it was a masterful trainer job. But Bill Marshall, cuz as John said, he didn't race and he came straight into that wrist and just, he just killed every birthday. I mean, that was brilliant, right? Roll the, roll the thing br roll thet.

As it come towards the mile pole, it is Nicodemus on the inside that shows front another decision. Third, it is Nicodemus and then Skeet Bay there. Then on the outside of that is Air Hill. They come down towards the shoot for the first time and it is the Creole Nicodemus down the shoot for the first time, and it is Nicodemus and Sket Bay.

Another decision on the inside. Then Arie Hill, Wally tucked in making ground and talk about lucky blast of storm coming up or the inside. So to wa. But wide on the outside as they go around the turn, its area hill. The trailer at the moment is new Millennium who got out very badly. The first quarter is in 24 and two is a five and a half to run.

It is Nicodemus. Another decision blaster Storm. Then on the outside is a Wallie. Then between horses going nicely as Wahoo, then talk about Lucky and then, then Awa still at the back and then pulled up is Squi Bay. And then last of all his new millennium, they go with four full longs to run and the leader on the inside is Nicodemus.

But Wally now tackles him to go on the third place. Horse is blast of storm. Another decision still on a tri hold. Wahoo been asked to go but they reach the top of the hill and it is still Nicodemus on Wally. But Wally looks very comfortable in front blast of Storm beginning to catch him. But it is the three of these as they come back to the quarter mark and it is, it is Wally who goes but pla of Storm is rolling him up as they come to the past quarter Mark they gotta fell and a half to go.

Nick sister talk about luckiest trying but is between the first two as they come home. Half husband Jonathan George and here comes blast of storm inside the final fell. In the inside is his area hill but blast of storm drawing away from Air Hill. The third horse on the outside is talk about Lucky Storm Hunter but Blast of Storm is gonna make it three in a row and pass down blast of storm winds it where half length from.

Then the next one to is talk about Lucky Storm Hunter. Wahoo Nicodemus, who ran his heart out dance. Numerous awa then comes Air Hill. Uh, the next one to.

I tell you what, man, being here in Canada and sitting back and watching those bull cops, the crowd and everything, it just gets you excited all over again. You know what I mean? , I just wanna mention a man note. One of our viewers, Al Adamson, said no, he raised in Baras. I believe this is Blast Storm. No, he raised in Baras before the third Gold Cup and lost twice to talk about.

Lucky. Then he won the third Gold Cup. Okay. And that him talk about Lucky isn't your, your dad didn't breed that horse, John? No, no, no. That, that was a horse up Belong Aino. Okay. Okay. Nicely. Oh, are you talking to me that your dad bought, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And, and talking about the, um, that horse won the Derby, how much triple cones did you end up winning in Barta?

Derbys? I think only one with only one and instant. But your dad won two because from what I, what I'm seeing here, Triple Crown winners rendered by John Jones was, um, the instant status, Are you talking it was also a Triple Crown winner? Yeah. I, I never rodee him though. Oh, you never wrote him? Okay. No, I mean, I won Dhabi, I won Dhabi 1, 2, 3, 4 times for my, for my father.

Okay. And then what's the belt? So 95 times many. How many of those horses your father bred and own he bred. He owned any of them at the time, but he definitely bred well between him and Jean Louis with Bread Zella. I didn't sure who the exact breed was, but they came from the farm. Zella and Saada, um, overdraft I think.

Okay. Cause we want people to know a part of your journey was that your father was a great breed and you were part of that too, right? Cause you also rode lot those horses. Well, Bri and Trainer. And trainer, yeah. When you start riding, I was in Canada, so I didn't get to see a lot, a lot of you riding. So, I mean, even myself, I'm learning things about you that as I, as I going on this show also.

So, you know, may I want to audience there to help see, you know, understand, you know, your journey, not just what we saw here in Canada where we signed Barbado do Yeah. For Yeah. You know, a lot better horses came from, from that farm, that's for sure. Yeah. And I know we had, we had a lot of good How do want best your father had?

She was in a show that y'all had on before, I think they show with, wanted to go Stan Far. Okay. Which, which horse is that? Pad Bird? Yeah. Yeah, she was great. She was in 1986. So I want to also, you let, let everybody there know, you know, the great horses that you would been around also as a kid and your dad that had, um, you know, bred.

Lot, a lot too many to talk

all those days too. And those days we used to go, it was only like a kid, 11, maybe 12, and they would pack up a plane and, and head to tri for the Christmas meet a whole, a whole bunch of horses, huh? Yes. Wow. You spent Christmas, Saint Trinidad. Doesn't Patty Bird sugar spice all glove before I was even riding?
Yes. Yeah, that's right. Not Trinidad, Martin, Nick also. Yeah. Sorry, those that kinda stopped when they started to ride. Very few going every now and again the show, but that, that stopped happening quite a bit. I don't remember many hours ago to Mar or in my, Well, yeah, I wrote it tri. A couple of horses, but not a lot.

You too. Um, Brent, could you, could you let, I got some person calling and ask in there to trying to get onto the show, Brent, so could you direct them to the show for me, Brett, please? Sure, no problem. That audience, they're trying to get into the show and they're not able to get into it All. You need Facebook page.

Our Facebook page has links on it to both the live feed on Facebook. Um, the URL to catch up with Sean Hall on Facebook is at the bottom of our screen, facebook.com/ Sean Hall Journeys, and it's also on YouTube. I will post some links that people can easily get on from there. Let me know if you can have any issues, guys.

Okay. That's, that's why we got Brett, the tech guy. The tech guy, , go to YouTube and Journeys. Yeah. Sorry for disturb. Sorry for disturbing the show. Guys. We got, Honestly, they're trying to get on and we can't. I gotta help them where we can we wonder our people watching us. Yes, go ahead Shawn's. Sorry for interruption.

Sorry for the interruption.

what point for you cause winning Go Cups and Bardos winning Queen pit and Candle, which give you the more joy, More pleasure. What feeling of goodness. Tell me, Boy, obviously at the time was the Girl Cup, but then you know, when the Queens play was quite big, It was big tour, huh? Was it the money? Was money the million dollars made it better?

No. You know where Right? You want, you want win the biggest We are, right? Prestige is the prestige and it was always, I always like big races and that's the biggest re well, one of the biggest races in Canada. So. Yes. Yeah. Right Before get, but I mean thousand and four before any Darby Uhhuh, you know, big risks.

Our big risk is right. So another bread, they are however they are, and, and the money is worth the biggest risk and the, right now how much happened it's worth is what makes it right. Right. So in other words then, like the Darby, when you first did that, the Darby thing was like, good for you. Then the Girl Cup came around, that was like a different level of goodness.

Correct. Then you, Well, I mean as you guys know, you all just saw on the TV there even before when they wanted woke up to Grow Cup Saint Barber. The crowd is crazy. Right. But that's what I'm meaning, I mean, process it all get in Canada, but Right. I, that's why I was trying to get ahold of you though, like the feeling of, of how the crowds and barbers react to when you gonna go cup compared to in North America.

You're just going there, the Prayering and then it's like nothing happened. Like you, it was this big thing and then boom, you know, it's like it's done. for sure. Well, the crowd is so far away. Even though the queens state is big, they have lots of people. Yes. It's that far away that you don't actually feel the vibe until Yes.

After the race kind of thing. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well before we get, before we get to our book, hearing it, before we get to our queen splits and stuff like that, John, when you came to Canada, You won your very first race as, as you rode. And you could, You remember that? And remember the trainer and the horse and stuff like that.

If you can't remember the name of the horse, but it was Audrey. Yeah. Something. Annie's Creek's. Something like that. Annie's Creek. Annie's Creek. Yeah's, I remember, I remember watching that race and I would never, I mean, you met a friend with a loose line, loose, loose, loose, standup, tall if you, I dunno. I said, I said, What's this, what's this guy doing?

That's what, that's what he was that you couldn't lose if you tried

as you, as you saying, goes, got right horse in your own race. Yeah. . But I would never forget. But he was right with this loose lane and when he got, he told me later you just did some crosses and this horse took off. Like if it was no breaking up the gates again. Yeah. Yeah. I said, Wow. I said that's, that's a, that's a great way to start

I remember that man. And I didn think about it was, I remember you first came to candle, you were in the parade ring with leading horses with me, with, with Patrick. I remember those days also. Yeah. I got correct. Cause I didn't have any paperwork, so I was up there just yeah. For a month or so. Just this, just hanging around really.

Yeah, you're helping me lead in horses, correct. , you were still really cool there too. You were still coming back and forth too though, right? Cause you were still going back home and writing and then coming back up too, right? No, no. I, I was there and then I had to leave to go to, um, New York to get my, my, my Canadian papers.

Yes. So I just went across the border for a week or so. They came back and then I could ride from then. No, but from, from Cause from what I'm reading. After you won that race with, um, Object kept, say that was in May of 2001, right? Mm-hmm. . And then you still went back home and, you know, you wanted to go cup in, in 2002 and 2000 woke cup in the march?

That was in March. I used to come home with the winters. You, you, okay. You just came home for the winter spent was summer. Go, go back in December. Like what Patrick does every year or whatever, Okay. Mm-hmm. . Okay. Yeah. All right. So, So since we, yeah, since we're here now, lets, let's, let's show, uh, a quiz. Play win.

Roll the thing. Quiz Play Queens play.

Waiting on not bourbon and to the outside Sebastian song and took the time to complete this queen play field there at the Post.

They're off in the Queen's plate from the outside, took the time and Sebastian song showing early speed in between horses, his shadow us and de flu's aggressive to the inside as a crush of runners move in front of us for the first time and it's D foody on the inside with a Emil Ram. Semi shadow is to attend the pace in second Dylan's choice and on hold in third position.

Then we have not bourbon who's tucked in nicely in fourth into the outside of not. Bourbon is a, took the time. Then we have deputy farmer who saves ground through the first turn. Ginger brew. Tucked in behind runners back about five lengths off the lead. Then Sebastian Song, a ground saving silver jagged on East End Tap and Palmers, followed by Mama's Night Jungle.

Brewer's second to last and Solitaire 14th. The half was in 47 and three. It's a reasonable pace and it's de floaty on the front end. Toward the inside Dylan's choice. Second, just a half a length behind Shadowless is just off the leaders in third, not bourbon, relaxed out there and fourth to the inside.

BA's night is in fifth position. Ginger Brew is sixth and four and a half lengths off the lead. Then we have took the time, Silver Jag East and Tap Sebastian Song Palmers. Then Mama's Night, two more back there, Jungle. Bruce Solitaire is still 14th, three quarters and 13 and two and it's D Foody. And here comes not bourbon.

And here comes the Philly ginger brew as they come to the top of the stretch. A stampede at the top of the way in the queen plate, and it's not bourbon who's sat down by John O. Jones, the Philly Ginger Brew, trying desperately to catch not bourbon. Johno Jones pleading with not bourbon. For one more 16th Ginger Brew is serving not bourbon.

Gets it out and wins the 149 running of the Queen's.

That's my talking about, to be honest with you, that, um, that that was the training feet. That horse does not wanna go. Not a foot more in a mile. Huh? They did say that up there. You know what don't remember about that day, that morning that more in a mile that morning of the race, I saw Roger took that horse on the track and work him a quarter the morning in that race.

I couldn't believe it when I saw it for the first time, this horse was going on the track and work a quarter that morning. And I know if John was gonna mean he was sprint, he he was job. He was, he was, Didn't let me relax. Roger did a magnificent job with him at that race. Yeah. What, what a training job he did with that horse man.

But you guys jumping, you guys are jumping a gun here a little bit on me. You know, because John rode in the queen slate before that, with that horse a bit of gold and got,

didn't.

Obviously only, we're not, we're not gonna show you have that race, right? No. We only have the breeders. Don't worry about, we embarrass you about that race. But , you guys are jumping in here on story about that. Go ahead. Give us the story. Give us the story. Cause when we first got up there, obviously Tom Thomas, I was going, well, Thomas helped me when everybody, everybody, Well we had some Pedro Groom that used to work for Catherine.

Yeah. He, he, yes. And he, he, he's who got me in that bar and he took, I really gotta get this voice right. Yes. And everything said I bar did good until next year. We good horses. Okay. But, but I mean, I, I know he did finish second, he got beat in the, in the plate. But that horse also went on to win the second and the third leg of the triple crown, didn't he?

I would have to say the best horse I've rid. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Cause he can run on grass, dirt, poly trap. Anything. Anything, Yeah. That went in. Wow. Over two or 3 million in one kind. Steaks, grade two or kind steaks up there. Yes. Wow. Man. A lot of races on the grass. So which of the two horses were you really in tune to it?

You really loved? Which two? But you just one, You just said that your best horse, one of the best horses you ever in Josh, right? Sorry, Sorry. Yeah, you. Just, I would say him and Jam two the best grass horses. Right. But I was gonna say the comparison between Jamaya and, and a bit bit of gold or jam was grass.
A bit of goal if to run on anything. Okay. So he he got denied. He got annoyed. Yeah. Great, great, great. Somebody's talking about his start, Togo went Jamaya in 2005. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. How was that experience? Yeah, that was fantastic too. Saratoga. Yeah. Tell me some more. Been there even know. Yes. It's spa. It's spa that's like a Caribbean track.

People, people live right on the track from morning. Yes. Watching horses training and thing is a lovely experience. Wow. And to win my first ride there was, was, was definitely, was a happy guy. Great, great. Great, great, great. So Donald, how many breeder steaks that you end up winning McDonald? You went for C day twice and Correct.

And one for, For for Roger also F Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So Jamaya bit of gold. Yeah. And perfect. Sh uh, Perfect. Who's the horse name? Perfect Shower. Yeah. Perfect Shower, Correct. Yeah. What I wanna know about Johno is your relationship with the great Ragat field. He was here on this show. We had a great time.

Yeah. That was a governor. He was, I mean, the governor, listen, the guy came on sipping some red one. I told him if he was here, but John Jones, he'd be having a different beverage.
We certainly have a few together.

A few Rus. Yeah. Top, Top guy. Top guy. Top trainer. Top human being great. Human being one of the best. Man. You know what I love about John? Having a horse ready to go, a month sitting for the first time. That was what impressed me about Mr. Afield. Get it done, man. All right. And just like you say, not B, not horse wasn't, they said he couldn't get over seven days, Right?

Or, or So you say those guys been in the business for a long time, huh? They know this stuff. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And and also very, very realistic with, with it also. Yes. So bad. You know, like you don't gotta get a bullshit story. They know. They know. So a question for, you know, in the pilot you're gonna pilot with a lot of trainers and you get instructions from a lot of trainers, right?

Who would you say one of the trainers that you rode for when you go in the pilot that you were most impressed with led you go and ride your race?

According your, according your Leroy Uhhuh. Everybody who just wants a picture well said. Say no, say no more. Say no more. Everybody likes the winner circle, right? Yeah. Get done. Long as it in, yeah. Say, say no more and talking about my job. You and him had a couple rivalries and you know, dig down battles before.

How much was that to you? How much, how much that meant to you with you guys and then be able to talk about it the next day over a cold glass or a glass with something in it. Yeah, well, rivalry. I mean, every jock has there thing, but we were, we were also great friends from, from little boys. So, but that, that's what I'm talking about.

And speak a little bit about that. It was more of a helpful rivalry and all I thing . Yes. Yes. So you guys, I would never do anything in the cost of race. And he would the same year. Yeah. So how much would you guys bounce a lot of stuff off each other? Let's, let's, let's get a little bit into that there then.

Cause I mean, you guys grow together and Patrick would say like, without even doing, Without even doing it, we used to do it, we would just have conversations and. And just slip something in there.
Cause interesting to know that Patrick always, you know, say like, your, your home is like his home. You know what I mean? So things like that, you know. So let let him know how much, how close you guys were and what a knit you guys were together. I mean, and Sean can say a lot about it cause a lot of you guys together did the question.

I wanna find out. This what I wanna find out. Donald Jones. Donald. Donald Jones. This is what I wanna find out. When you started doing well and you were sharing the same agent and the third goes two more rat scale, live the same whole, how did that affect your relationship with Patrick? Husbands tell me, to be honest with you, never did.

Didn't. Not even in the slightest. So she just decided that it wasn't working done with Tom or left or whatever. It was just business. Never had discussion about it. It was just business. You serious? That's just it. Just like that. Tom, you just left. Well, it never a discussion. Yes, Patrick figured that whatever.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know if Patrick left or told. I don't know what happened. I went by net year it was just done. Whoa. And I never really questioned it, to be honest. Whoa, whoa. That, that's a wealth to me. I didn't realize if it saw, it was such a cut. Yeah. No, between a Patrick was never an issue.
You never, you never always listen to Pink People say it. Right? Because, you know, being, and John and Patrick were very close knit guys. People might say different things, you know what I mean? Yes, of course. Course. You careful listen to that. So, and as John, you can only live in Patrick Basement, you know?

Well, there you go. So no journal was clarifying things that you wanted to know, Sean. Yes, of course. Came, started. He said, You making enough money,

man,

Friends, friends and doing great things together as and, and, and stick, stick together, right? Yeah, man. John, I just wanna ask you a question. Now, this, that, that pitch in behind you there, there's, you can see a picture with a horse there. Is that a win in Barber or a win up here? Oh no, that's a, that was a nice horse.

That was a ride there called My Vintage Sport. I think it was one. Um, she won a nice grass too. She won the, the, the, I think it was the equivalent of the, um, the, the female. Grass race or the, the triple tierra, the bison city or the grass, or was it grass race called the bison city. Right. I think she won that.
Yeah. Okay. Laurie B was, he wanted for e she won after that.

That's a beauty boat. When you, when you are done so much great things is it's hard to remember the greatness of, of life. , she was a nice fellow. She was a nice horse. And that was, I think that was the first, first or second year I was there too. And who, who train, who trained her gentleman by the name of Ken Parsley.

Ken Parsley. Okay.

She went, I think she went on to throw a good horse too. I'm not even sure. Okay. Well, but let us, let us run the, the track for the jamaya. Let's keep the ball rolling. With these greatness of races, it's actually not the Jamaya race we have, We have the bit goal.

They're at the post.

They're off in the breeder stakes. Strike 'em hard to war the inside and on the outside burst of a fire. A bit of gold is in contention early along with his smoothness and silver ticket and that red cap on the far outside as they make their way up to the back stretch, that incline up to the back, stretch and burst of fire dictates the pace.

A bit of gold is second. His smoothness on the outside. Third in caves Lane. Silver ticket is, uh, right there as well. On the outside is a witness of this and they sweep up to the back, stretch about to, uh, make that hair pin turn into the back stretch and loose. On the lead is burst of fire. Burst of fire weeds by five.

A bit of gold is second his smoothness. Third, a silver ticket is in the fourth position. Strike him hard as to the inside fifth. Then we have a caves Elaine bone, arrows out of trouble back seven lengths off the lead down toward the rail is hunt the rainbow alongside of that one is a Lord. Carmen then, uh, farther back to a rainbow of for luck and witnessed this as they continue along the back stretch.

The opening half mile was in 48 and four, three quarters and 14. Flat burst of fire still in front a bit of gold. His smoothness, silver ticket in the red cap is out there three wide as they head the toward the far turn. Strike him hard in striking distance back five lengths off the lead. Then a Lord Carmen a cavan's lane, lone arrow on the outside.

Then hunt the rainbow rainbows for luck and a trailing is witness. This tight group though, just eight and a half length, separates this field with three eights to gold and it's burst of fire. A bit of gold. Whos the danger? A powerful presence to the flank of Burst of Fire. Silver ticket is there. Strike them hard.
They hit the quarter pole burst of fire, trying to go it all the way on the front end. A bit of gold is set down on the outside as they come to the final eighth of a mile and a bit of gold has come away with the lead burst of fire. Silver ticket on the outside and they're coming down to the line a bit of gold and Johno Jones a bit of gold, and John O.

Jones to win the breed steaks finishing. Second was burst of fire and silver ticket was third.

Another great winner. Another great winner. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Just add, um, Catherine mm-hmm. Is also a fantastic coach. Remember something Bill always told when Bill spend a lot of time together, anybody could take a horse or win race. But when you have a good horse and yes. Keep it consistently winning, that what, That's what a good trainer is.

Yes. Yes. Correct. And I agree with that. Both of those horses, captain had those horses part, I don't think that horse run out the money four times in it life. Mm-hmm.

No. But you have ridden so much great horses in Canada. Any other standouts that you could tell us about? Was a nice horse stool that got hurt and you won a couple sticks and then he got hurt. Leo. Notice aunties ended up me in really good sound, I believe. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Um, Kevin Akar ended up training him.

He was horse. He was one of favorites novel horse. Right. One horse in state. Carrie ran him in a state first time when he won. Yes, Yes. He was a nice horse. And he came back and he won again. He was, he was a good horse. And then he stood up on a piece of wire or something, I can't remember what it was, but he actually could not run, did not run the plate, missed the plate, missed the horse series, I believe.

Wow. Yeah. Cause had something wrong with his, with his foot. And then we, he took him somewhere to run in, in, um, in these states and around third in some race in states came Louisiana d or something. Okay. Okay. Wow. I, I have a, I got a funny joke today with you, you and your agent were going to Saratoga to ride a horse in Saratoga and at the border, I guess when the guys at the bar had axia.

Um, what you're going to do when you see you're going to ride, do you remember this story? And I guess the guy was asked about betting on the horse and you told him House onlan or something like that. You remember? You can tell us that story.

Some ride a horse. But the funny thing, the horse last, right? That's why you let you know if you remember the story, , I hope you might not live the streets.

your agents asked you now gonna get back home now. Not let us back in
another time we was going to ride a horse for, um, for Lynn Gill for, and they won't let me over. I had a for I be the good cover me and pick you up. . Whoa. Yeah, we go through some stuff over there. People don't really understand man. Mm-hmm . It's not, it's not a better Roses can tell you that. No. So a lot of jocks ride a lot of great horses, right John?

But we have claiming races in Canada and I know you've gonna few them yourself. Could you remember any good claimers that you enjoy writing? I I'm wrote a good one. And that being a space source too. Chris is bad boy Chris is bad. Remember that? Yes. Yes. And he, that was my mom beat Armada. He came, writes down in for and thing and that winning all kind state.

Yes, Yes. I remember good trainer. That's a good trainer you're talking about there too. He, he did some things last year was kind of shocking, you know, That was my coach, man. plugging away. He still did plugging away. Son had a great horse last year too. You know, that he did good. Good with also, so that's one of the horses you can see as a, a claimer that, that moved from a claiming to up to stake races, but one that Yeah, well, I, I didn't get on him until later on, but when I got on we won like a bunch of races.
Five or six races maybe. Okay. So saying that though, but it's, And and can you pick another horse that didn't go to that, you know, to that level of racism as a claimer, but stating, claiming that you really enjoyed writing? You know, some, I I, I, I got a call to
You married just as bad as

that's what, that, what happened when you fall too often in your head, You know what I mean? Eventually when it gets, He's a young guy still though. I mean, Well they had a few, I mean, yeah. Cause you know, I use them focus more on the young horses and the big races and things. So two year olds then, So, so pick a nice tour that you, that you did ride that you know, that you enjoy.

Cuz I know some guys as trainers and grooms and stuff, the horse might not be a, a state horse or nothing, but you got that horse that you enjoy being around and he just goes out and try all the time. All these, the cheap horse. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? For sure. You could, you call, find one of those sources and, and talk about him first.

But you still need, you need to make a phone call to Sean. To, to Tom. Man

Um, I'm thinking, thinking. Cause they, they gotta be one or two. Cause you even a few races a good, You went over what, 600 something races in Canada? Yeah. But yeah, but the, um, he, he won all sticks still man. He won a bunch of sticks. I I, I know, I know he did. He did. I'm, I'm, for my calculation it's 658 races.
He went, went up here. Right. The um, the, um,

I can't remember here. Over, over five, 5,000 and something starts in over $40 million in earnings. Yes. Yes. Horses. Yeah. That's good. But Johno wasn't, I can't remember to be honest, I can't remember names of your that, that were, that, that was really enjoy writing as Clems. Um,

Okay. Since, remember some of them, I can't remember the names as you think. Okay. Don't, don't stray those train Greg. Everyone. That was nice that Greg had a trailer that every time it came out I ran. Bam. It was try hard out. That's a hard knocker. One of those hard knockers. That was my man in my stalker, man.
Oh, time we got there. God, My, my made soldier. Yeah. Oh yes. Oh yes. Yes. You must have shared a few.
I can imagine. I don't even go there.

That was too mobilizer. Somebody just say, um, mobilizer. He was, he was, No, but he was a horse that, that, that Roger had any queen split. Okay. Okay. Yeah. He was a C horse. Yeah. You broke his ma into the person's side. Yeah. He was a C horse heon. Um, a carbon. Yeah. This my main man going either on . That was a straw horse.

That was, Yes. By the clean stalling or something like that. Yes. Maryanne is saying that Greg love all Oliver. Yes. Yes. . He only, the best between John and, and myself, Greg, is that I, I couldn't keep up with him. John, John right hand was a lot stronger than mine. Really? In those days there was no,
Yeah, yeah. Alright. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

we don't wanna include the journey of our man doing those kind of things. We wanna talk about him on a horse back in the great things that he's doing. Why ask John though, at what point you found that your weight was really, give you trouble and can, that you was ready to get to struggle?

Man, I, I, you know, it happened a few times and I just took a back a week or two off and the last time I just, just got fed up. Okay. I remember when you came to me one time, you tell me all I knew he a veteran and I, I give a little advice and stuff cause I, what I notice about John Odo every year he was coming back, he was mature and his body was mature more.

You know what I mean? He was getting kind of coming to bar. I told he begin to really look solid, you know what I mean? Really. But this look, you know, body would get tough. Well, how much, how, how much more did you learn though, as you mature? I know. And understanding what you had to do to, I mean, to discipline yourself more.

Cause I mean, you watch a lot of documentaries on tee about jockeys and lot of things that they had to do man to, and people don't understand what you guys go through as writers trying to maintain your weight, especially men weights were, were, were down to like one 18 or something like that. I mean, just give the artists a little bit of, especially a guy like yourself and Sean that had to pull a lot of weight all the time.

How difficult and hard it is to do meka. It's mentally and physically hard on the body. And, I mean, and it can also interrupt, you know, your family life and stuff like that because it's not an easy thing you guys did. And day and day out, uh uh, we lost him.

They'll be back. Sean, He's back there anymore. Yeah. You can't hear us.

Hello. Our direct, our, our director, our director is, is having our technical difficulty, Sean, so our tech guy is working on it. I, I have, as our tech guy is working on it. This show must go on Sean. So, so far we, we, we we're light our audience and a lot of great things about John winning gold cups winning derby, you know what I mean?

Being in a family with breeding his father breeding horses, His father was a great rider and stuff like that, right. So, you know what I mean? It's, it's wonderful to see. And, and, and he's one of our homeboy, you know what I mean? He's one of our home.

You can hear you, can you hear us? Hello? We can't hear you. We, I, I can hear, I can hear you, but we can't hear you. I dunno what happened. All right. Keep back. You're back, right? I dunno. I was there and it cut off. Okay. While we're back, You're back, you're back. So, as I was, as I was saying before, John, let's, let's enlighten our audience.

So there, you and, and Sean also as writers, I was never writer. I didn't have to pull weight, I lift weight to get bigger. You guys had to diet to get smaller. And this is one of the things that kind of stopped your career from going forward. It was your weight. And I, we watch a lot of documentaries out there on jockeys trying to keep their weight down, the things that they had to do, how much it, it disturbed them mentally and physically, how much it, it kind of hurt their, their family life and stuff like that.

So could you kind of enlighten us a little bit more how hard it was for you with your weight and the things that you had to go through? Well, yes, I did it as long as they could before it started. They impact me out there. Okay. Which, which you, you, it didn't get to. Cause I know you can, you can mentally be affected because when you get dehydrated and stuff like that, they say it can cause problems to your brains and stuff like that too.

Right. And I mean, and no, and it's the true thing and it has happened, had writers that killed theirself because of this. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's, it's, I'm not sure if they wait is what they killed himself about more so aspo as opposed to not being in the lime leg anymore. Right. Well that's another thing too.

That's another thing too. I think more, more of that. Not being look at know who people are or whatever, whatever, how was they. Absolutely don't. How has that affected you though? Because you were one of the top men, You made a lot of money and, um, In my mind, I still am . I, Yes, yes. You had something to fall back onto.

Cause like where your shirt is showing there and, and I mean, you enjoyed fishing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that, that, that, that helped you. Cause I know a lot of guys would see you go fishing and you go to the ocean for, for days, and then we can see here on here, I guess after, after you ride, you either become a trainer or, uh, agent or, uh, something in the business.

Something in the business. And I came back to Barus and I was, I really wasn't interested in it here. Yes. So if I wanted to be one of those things, I would've had to stayed there. Yes. So I just came back and did my thing. So fishing was one of your passions from even while you were riding to or after the first year?
The first year, second year account, they bought a book. Wow. Wow. Wow. Always be my thing. Okay. And, and, and you didn't go, you didn't buy a boat to go and lake material, didn't you? ? No. No. So, so you're saying man,

punch, punch that you, And I don't understand what he showing these punches at you. Journal. He's,
that's
water.

So, so John, you have your fishing, I can see it advertising here. You, you got a fishing, um, your captain on your boat and everything, and you have a fishing website that you can take people fishing and all that. Let us know a little bit more about that also. Cause that's one of your, your next passion. Yeah, well that's what I do.

I take, I take people out fishing. Fishing charters. Mm-hmm. . So that's what I do now, have you got a chance to take Shawn with you yet? No. Shawn never asked. That's that. John, Jon, Jon, Jon Jonah. I've been out with you a couple times. Come on. Okay, come on now. . One time we went over John and the water started turning green and all kinds of different colors, and John said Sean, I I I do a walk through there.

We were heading down West coast towards the, um, the, a place out there. Yeah, you remember that? Yeah. Yeah. He took me one time. The waves was big. I mean, these, but, but you, I impress you that idea cuz you said I, I I, I I took it like a man. I, I didn't puke

Yeah. So how, how often, how often are you on the now, John? Every day. Well, I would like to be every day, but, um, whenever I get work, so maybe two or three, four times a week. And, and you also, you're also involved in obviously, and, and you're, you're also involved in ship, in, in, in fishing, um, competitions also do Yeah, we had one last week I was in fishing competition.

And how did you, how do we results? We came fourth in that one. Okay. Okay. So how and how many times have you won so far? I wanted one here a couple times. A few times. Wow. And what's the biggest fish we should see that you've cut? I actually took Rod, the one with me one year. He went, um, Grenada think we became second overall.

Second overall, Like no third. Yeah. Wow. Great. And the great Raja was their presence of witness. You're, you're, you're, Job that you doing on the ocean . He was in a spring chick at that time. Neither. He's a soldier. No. Wow. Wow. Was he impressed? Was he impressed with he, what it took to get to GR and all that?

Navigating and stuff like that? Might have been a bit shocked.

Why? Why is that? Well, is the boat was in the most fastest . This is the same boat that you bought with from, From Canada? Pardon? This is the same boat that you brought up that you bought when you came up here? No, I bought it in Florida. But you bought in Florida. Oh. The last thing you came here Cause that's where you came up here and you went from here to Florida.

I remember you did when you did that. Yeah. Yeah.

Actually you were working for For re that time. I was when had the broken leg, the same woman had that same time. I left candle with a broken leg. I went the bottom board. That's right. Talking about Reed. I rubbed the horse called free. Free lady. I don't you remember this horse. And I wanted back to, I think microphone has gone very, very low.

You have a volume. Very low. Very, very low. I can hardly hear Come in tech guy. I wish I was there to help. Johno. But , all I can say is maybe log, log off again or said that you just muted it.

We're hearing you good though? You all right? No problem. We can hear you. Okay. So as we're saying, we re talking about re Baker. Yeah. He had a Philly called Free, Free Lady that you wrote first time for him and I, I was the assistant trainer at that time and I had mentioned to you in the product, I said, John, this field, cause Reed never like giving instructions to writers.

And I said to you, John, this field's been working really good in the morning but the horses that were beating in the morning were they can't win for 12 five. And I said to you, John, you know the one thing I like about her, they beat her at five days of a mile. But after the Wire she always, Gallo great.

And I says, That's it. All the instructions I give you on that horse, you end up finishing second. Patrick won the race on that horse, you know, and you came back in and said, Know what Leroy, I made a run for it for it with her and she ran a great race. You didn't get back Tory or back cuz she went on to win the second, the second and the third leg of the trippi there because you were committed to horses.

Some horses for Ra outfield. Do you remember there a great Philly that's too far gone for you to remember that? I can't remember. Re did want you to write her back, but again, you were committed, you were writing so many horses for Roger at that time. Mm-hmm that you ended up writing some horses for Roger, but you were, remember her then.

And that was another, that another time, That was another story too. Yeah. . Yeah. Cause when they first went there was in, we rewriting a lot of mostly resources. Mm-hmm. at that time. Yeah. And then he had the horse and the, um, going up to the queen, split something. Mike Big, Was it Big Mike? Not, no. Something Mike Mine, I can't remember.

Classic. Mike was the name of the horse. Classic Mike. Okay. And I broke my, my, I fell off a morning on a train track and broke my foot. I said, Nah, boy, I missing this one. Oh yes, I remember that. You,
you a broken leg. Yeah. A foot. Foot. Foot on your leg. Your foot. Sorry. Sls. Cut it in half. Put it my foot and tape it up. Yeah. All these great stories you got to share, Share with us. And I know you just finding them as we go on. Yeah. After the rest, obviously the foot was broken, so I had to take about five weeks off or, and, and read, Well read The owner were not very happy about that obviously.

What did they funnel after? Yeah. Well mean, they knew that I was hurt, but they didn't know that it was a broken, a broken foot. Wow. But it affect you. Did affect you when you rode though? Did it affect you? It wouldn't affect all the horse run, but I'm sure it affected it after. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Wow. They wouldn't, I mean, yeah.

You know, that's the one thing in horse racing, Right. As, as, as a job too. You know what I mean? When you get hurt is amazing how much business you can lose. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah. And, and that's the one thing as being an agent myself. I know, you know, you, you get your job, get hurt. And you, it, especially you, you are on a big Right.

Sometimes, you know what I mean? On a upward swing, and you get hurt and you can lose so much business and, and, you know, hearing you say that you have to ride out horse with a broken foot, you know, it's, it's amazing. I mean, look at a guy Likemy Ram son in California. I mean, he, he lost everything when he was his way to Superstardom in California and just lost it all.

A blink of a eye from a fall. So, I mean, it happens to the best of the man. I mean, and that's why jockey's always gotta be more than that. Be very tough to, um, don't let have broken leg keep you back. Wow. And well, you raise it as you thing with a jock, you know? Yeah. Mm-hmm. , every day you, you're missing you, you're missing some of ours.

Yeah. Yeah. So you can't afford to get hurt, man, I think might be a little different now, but in my time, every doctor tell you a month, You try your best to get to a week. Exactly. Oh, no, it's, it's, it's, it's damaging to, to your career, man. You know what I mean? And I'm being an agent, I experienced that. You know what I mean?

And that's why you gotta be so careful as your age as an agent, you know me, to try and find the right horses for your jock and do your homework. That you make sure you don't end up putting your h your jock in a horse that you know can cause these problems there. Cause then also it doesn't just hurt your, it's you, the business and all the things around you.

You know what I mean? So it's important. So saying that you had Tom as your agent, describe your relationship with him. We were well agent, we were friends. Still are. And you know, you guys are very, and have a great relationship. Yeah. You guys were very quiet guys. Cause he's not a big talker that you're a very quiet guy yourself.

But I mean, your, your guys work showed, you know Yeah. I respected, I respected, hey, him doing his job and he respected my opinion when I would say it and it worked. Mm-hmm. . So in, in other words, that relationship between Jackie and agent is so important. Right. Enlighten our, our artists a little bit about that.

Cause I'm an agent myself, so I mean, it, it, you can do the talking for me on that, on that behalf of day and agent myself. For sure. For sure. Yeah. And also saying that he's gonna be your son's agent also, John o Yeah. That's the plan. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , he's going in great hands then, correct? Well, correct. The thing about John was, John didn't say much when he was, um, in Canada.

He didn't talk too much. I mean, even doing his interviews, it was very, And I think, I think a lot of people might be surprised to see how we, we got you going. We, we have you rolling along Johno. Keep on rolling my brother . I, I, I hear laughing because Tom, Tom had a champion before me and he had a champion after me.

The only one that the champion. But you win some good prestige races though, John. You for it too, right? Yes, Yes. Counts. Yeah. We, yeah, we used to pick out, we used to pick the horse for good races, one good races, you know what I mean? And those guys rode so much more horses than you do what? I mean so much more races than you too.

So let's not count yourself out here like John, like Patrick, shit. I know, I know. But let's not count yourself. Cause I mean, like Patrick, say you're underrated rider and you didn't, you didn't get the credit that you deserve. And we know that you rode some beautiful races and there's some great things out there in the afternoon.

So Yeah, we rode some, a lot of good horses. Yes, you did. You know what I mean? We used a good horses stick with them. That's right. That's right. Your percentage kept, your percentage rate belong and, and doing some great things for us. And well, what we like to know is how did you manage to. Who, was it you doing the job work in the morning and saying, I like this horse, Or if it's Tom, tell me, tell me, hit me with that.

Help me out. I would guess initially. Mm-hmm. Tom would obviously send me to Breeze Horses or whatever. And then when I liked one he would say, Tom, well, I like, I like this horse. Yes. He was a nice horse. Yes. Then he would, he would obviously keep that, keep a spot for that one. Right, Right. And then, um, you just make sure you, you stay close.

Correct. Once you feel like is a good way, you try to stay with that. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. But how, how did you take, like when you came to Canada, I mean, as you said, Lobar meeting guys already rolling and stuff, but were you accepted very quickly by the majority of the trainers and stuff? Did it take long or, Yeah.
Well, as I said, Patrick, Tom were doing well. So I kinda got lawyers spinoffs at the time. Yes. And winning with them, I guess. And, and, and I'm rolling from there. Yes. But then you spin in your own direction though, cause Patrick wasn't getting right for Rod, those type of guys, you know what I mean? So how did you get into Roger's burn and those type of burns that Patrick wasn't really writing for in those days?
I can't, I can't remember exactly. I, I remember writing early in, early days, riding a, um, an old horse they had called Red Sea on the. , Right. And wanna stick with that. Mm-hmm. , and I guess that was their own horse. They went from there. Mm-hmm. . Okay. Because don't forget, know I, Roy, Pat two wasn't riding for lot those outfit sake.

Rod. That feeling those guys general, because, because he, he was, he was kind of taking it with Mark Cassie. Right. And that's, that's one of the things, when you ride it for a stable like that and you're, you're, you're, you know, he's the first was one, I think he was the first call at that time too, right?

Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , Cassie. So, you know, that was kind of hard to, to get out to the other horses and commit to other horses, you know, And you can see it, look back and see that Patrick didn't get, he rides the horse for the first time. Might not get to ride it back the second time because now you've gone through your conditions and then you go to where Mark Cassie horses are, It's obvious that the agent now have to go to that trainer and says, Hey, well don't, you know, they had a guy called Cable who had right in there was this too.

Oh, don't, that's true. That's true. So, so, I mean, for him to, to break through between, like toward and, and get these type of horses. I mean, Emmy was pretty hot around those days too. I mean, it was, it was, That took some joy, man. Yeah, but I mean, he, he showed what a good writer he was at Tool Sean, so that helped a lot.

You know, I mean, he made news of what he got and people saw that. And it also helped, you know, his career up the road. Would you say that John. Yeah, for sure. You know, definitely right. They were, they were taught, but they can't write all Exactly. Exactly. You know what I mean?

Saw that and mobile. Right, right. Things like that. Yes. So, you know, but he, he was very nice to me all along too. Todd, who's that? Yes, him and we helped me a lot. Most of them always say helped me a lot when he was there. Wow. That's good. You know something I heard, um, a lot of jocks say, you know, with our sport, we have a sport that we go there and you guys gotta go there right against each other and everybody has to go back in their same room with each other.

Yeah. How, how was that for you? Yeah, me. I, yeah. Causes was cool. You know, I was dude and friends, mostly the guys or whatever. Yeah. It's one of those sports, like you say, you know, we we're the only sport. I have an ambulance going around and follow, falling us. Right? We're the only sport that when you're done right, you gotta go back in the same room.

It's not like football. Other guys go to their locker room and other guys go to their locker room. You know, you guys gotta go there and ride each other, almost want to kill each other basically. You know to get to that and then come back tomorrow, do it again, and then come back tomorrow. Do again. You know?

But I don't think, I don't think John Jones is like an family type of guy. Cuz me, the last interview did with me, Emmy said, when we talking about having fights and stuff, we said, who I ran,
I had a direction's, not a runner. No. Yeah. Was try to avoid him up. No I didn't. Runner

I know a young Jon Jones. Those, those when he young lady used to give So they were, they were, They weren't easy. They weren't easy. No, no, no. I tell you, you face, you faced some of that. You saw someone, what can you share? Sharon can share with No, that was a long

there. I'm going there. Many few. This is something now that happened between myself, Anthony, Turkey's, Patrick's brother, entertainer, Sean. We met to a party where all these young boys were. By this time we were know veteran guys. And you know, Anthony looked like Patrick and a fellow came in there and all, I mean, Anthony's dancing with his wife and everything.

This guy come and grip him up. If he's a a garbage, nor if it's, no, this sound like a gambler. This sound like a gambler. You're talking about. Man, these guys used to trouble a lot. People, I, I know this guy came back for Patrick thinking Anthony was Patrick and Defect then there. That's all I could tell. So did he lose his money by, on Patrick?

No, the guy hold some licks and you know what I mean? Cause it, it was John not talking about that since we talking about my holding some licks as a, as a writer. Right. You know, you got the gamblers out there and especially you guys leave the pad and you're going out, you know, guys always asking for bed and stuff like that.

And were you one of the guys to give a guy a tip on the side or anything like that? And then, I mean, Dave Penn was one of the writers that used to do that a lot as I remember our early nineties in, in Canada. Were you a guy that had your fans did that? Would always give a little bit here and there. A smile, maybe A smile.

That smile tells you something anyhow, right. Yeah. So then no, but I would, and yeah, I'm not really, no I wouldn't, I try to focus on what I was doing. If I saw something I knew would get him a little, a win win or something, you know? Yeah. So then, then,

Because, you know, we, we got a lot of the gamblers there. When guys lose their money, you know, they say some things about Jock, sometimes they don't realize what you guys go there and do. You guys put your life on, on the line for our entertainment sometimes and they don't realize, you know, that you go there and write a race, race, you can go there with Plan A, Plan B and plan C and it don't go the way you're supposed to go and it don't win the race.

Although you were the best horse in the race, it's not always that you're gonna work out the way you expected to work up because you got the best horse, you know? But, but no, but he, he's the most important man in, in the whole business, huh? Yes. Right. That's right. Because had not for them, we don't, without the gamble there no racing.

There's no racing. Yeah, absolutely. Right. Especially we see, see that a lot with the Covid, this, um, the two years of Covid. How much people online bedding, you know, did they did very well. It did very, very well. You know what I mean? I mean, millions and millions of dollars in, in, in online betting, you know, there was some record breaking years.

Um, those, those two years, millions of dollars in, in, in Be, I can't remember who the who, who the guy, the head of manager of Woodburn at that time or whether it was, but the guys wanted, didn't wanna ride or something, One time Uhhuh and it was cold or whatever it was. And, and the guy came in the room, he said, Look, this is what, is y'all gonna make a decision because this is a show.

Y'all are the actors and they show must go on. So tell us what you're doing. That's a good way of putting it. This is a show. You guys are the actors . I never heard like that, but that's a good way of putting it. Yeah, that's what he must said. And it's true. I mean, there. They're what? Racing, right? Yeah. It is so true.
You know what I mean? So, and it's still gonna show. Must Go on. Go ahead. Go ahead son. No. How much are you still involved in horse racing? How much do you still watch horse racing and stuff? I mean, although your son is in it now, but it's How much are you still falling horse racing, John? I go, I go and watch.

Okay. I go and watch, although was not there on Saturday, but I go most times I watch. Okay. A friend of mine, um, Darren and his dad, David Matthews keep, keep horses up there by me. Okay. So have horses around me. Mm-hmm. . Oh, you still have h So you're still living the same by where your dad is now and still have No, no, no, no.

Okay. Okay. I live up in, live further east of, of him. Oh, okay. But I have, um, yeah, I wanna say a farm, but they keep about six horses around me. Mm-hmm. . Okay. So you're still, you're still associated with, and then your son is in it. So I see them every morning. I'm not, I'm not associated cuz I don't pay for them, but I see them every day

Okay.

I see them, I smell them. . When your son comes up here, you're gonna be more involved in it also too, because you're gonna be paying a lot attention what he's doing. Right. Yeah. Following a lot more than I do now. Yeah. Mm-hmm. in candle. I only really, I only really watch the big race of the seal patch riding or whatever.

Okay. No, I really, our race is starting on the weekend here. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So we didn't have a great, It is not a great feel of racing for the first weekend. I mean, we had, you know, didn't have a lot of horses entering today. It took pretty long to get it going. We got one steak race, it's a hundred thousand dollars race, you know, and it's a seven horse feel.

I mean, we didn't get much big field. I think our biggest field has eight horses in it. Isn't that, Isn't that generally? Not generally. Is it norm? Not really. You know, we, I mean, when the first year with the covid, when we had, we had a few big fields. We had a lot of horses enter. This seemed, it seems a little, you know, a lot of the guys are not already like the before and didn't have a lot of horses shipping in.
I mean, while Jaff is still not in yet, you know, he's still Florida. Cox is still not in yet. You know, we still got, but Yeah, but that's the norm. Roger usually goes to kill after that. Yeah. But I mean, before he steals up one or two horses. But we'll be here training already. You know, that probably that stayed local too, right?

Yeah. You know, so we, our, our, our, our meat is starting on, on Saturday. Today was the first draw for the, for our meat here. Okay. And Patrick is riding three horses on Saturday. He's riding one in the steak and two for mar, one for bar Mitchell, and two for um, um, Cassie. So should we have a bet then?
I, I like the one, I like the one in the stake. Be careful. A lot of people watching this here
know like we just thought the better we need the better. So, you know, if we can give a tip here now that's good . You know what I mean? So you make two

We have to get our fans, we have to get our fans into the game and bring them into our game. We just started so we need, we need, you know, the revenue for our game. Correct. Before the revenue. We can't, we can't go forward, you know, and hopefully we can have it, you know, the audience on, on on Saturday.
That'd be nice. Yeah, so why would like to mention though is myself and Journal, we did a project about it got me about 2014, myself, Johno Analytical, Marsha Heins Lane sat down together to put plans in place for a racing horse racing academy and it seems to be taken getting some sort of traction. My government right now.

And I would like to thank John right now for the input that he put in at the stairs because at the time it was, she was telling me that guys, us come back home and we don't, we don't get back to the country and that kind of stuff. And I took it personal. I brought John in and we used to talk, we talked for, we had some good meetings.

And I'm hoping, um, in the very near future, John, Cause I, I've heard government took it to Parliament and that kind of stuff. Yeah. That's something that, you know, maybe that you could still Well, it's virtual. You already tell you now I could tell you from everybody that I know, like from a trainer to everybody up there.

Yes. They want workers. They need workers. Correct. We we're, we're desperate, John. Desperate. We have jockey, exercise writers, grooms everything here that need work. So we're desperate up here right now, John. We got trainers can't bring horses in because they don't have enough help. We got trainers. That's what they heard.

We have trainers, I Facebook all the time. People advertising. Yeah, they want rider, they want workers, They want groom. Yeah. We've, we, we've got trainers up here that got guys rubbing six and seven horses, you know what I mean? And it's, it's hard on the grooms. And the grooms are not getting an off. You know what I mean?

You got, and you can't afford to push these guys and these guys are there from what, four o'clock in the morning getting up at 3, 2 30 and three o'clock in the morning to get, to get to work. You know what I mean? So it's, but myself and Jonah did this thing until two 14, this is no eight years ago, you know what I mean?

And it's now getting traction cuz they're now talking about it. And I really hope that, um, it's something down the road that guys, that journal could be involved into because we need, we need these guys who been to battle on the international market to, to come back and just guide some more youngsters anyhow they can, you know what I mean?

And I'm, I'm really looking forward to see if it really takes off. I mean, and John was here still help out in some way. We need guys that John was still to help out or youth, but that program, that program that we had when we, how we got up here right, is that program can't be started again from somebody starting it from our beta.

So I mean here too, but cuz now you gotta advertise the job for three months up here and go through all this stuff that before the guys can get up here and people like the s are coming to do the work. And when they realize, I just the other day there was a lady at the track and she come there, she's out, frontside working and come over to the back stretch.

She got licensed and everything. She liked the animals, but when she realized how big they are and things that they do, this is not for me. You know what I mean? Yeah. And we got guys at home sitting down would love to get up here to try and make some money to help support their family. Something needs to be done.

Yeah. I mean, like, trainers are here hurting, man, hurting. Well, I mean, I, There's nothing more I could do. I, I spoken to everybody who, you know what I mean? I spoken to three different governments. Wow. You know what I mean? D B, B, you know what I mean? And you know, but it seems to be getting somewhere. No, I mean, I know Corey Lynn, he, he wanna see it recently and he, he's, um, I'm, I'm sure he's working behind the scenes now to get this off the ground cuz he has a ranch.

I think the only way that that could be sort is with H PPA or whatever up there. Right. Yeah. But they, they tell you gotta go through all this, this, I call it a right tape. I, Right. I guess we will come to the stage when day we, how to organize that. Yeah. Because then the trainers has to pay X amount more the money to pocket John.

And then they have to bring these guys up and put them in a hotel and whoever they gotta put them, like when the Covid was going on, they have bring everything over their pocket. Yeah, yeah. All I'm all I'm saying. Right. The problem is not only Bara and the problem is obviously in Toronto. Correct? Yes.
Correct. Yeah. They find workers from somewhere, so they're gonna arrange for us to come. Yes, Yes. No, definitely. You know, and I mean, it's not just in Canada because even in the States it's hurting now. Cause of some of the guys that were in Florida and stuff like that, that come, that does finally or back home are saying, you know what, it's just not here guys.

It's happening over there now too. Mm-hmm. , you know, our industry is, is workers is, is hard for our workers right now to get workers for our industry. Yeah. But instead saying here now in the United three farm, if we farm labor program, But what happened was a lot of guys left that program when the government was taking money outta their pay and they didn't get it when they got back home.

Oh. I mean, you, you can't take people and treating them like that, Sean. And I expect them to, you know, to stick with you. Right. So everybody abandoned that. Yeah. And went private their own. Yeah. They went by the self and that program kind of died in natural depth, you know? Yeah, no, definitely. But you know what I mean, As I said, we still got guys that John on here as Sure he still will lend a little hand if called the pun,

don each one. A lot of punches at your total man. Yeah, but I mean, but like I have, have a lot of friends out here that would love to get back up there to work. Huh. Of course. And we would love to have those guys, Those guys would love to go back after work. But we would love to have them, man. We would love to have them.

Like I said, man, as Roy says, is somebody to pay a deposit and whatever, whatever, whatever. Yeah. You know, and, and like I always say to these guys, you know, these guys can try and save the money down there and try, you know, me help their self doing that. When a trainer, even if you gotta do it that way, that you have to tell the trainer, Listen man, I'll pay my way up.

Just put the papers in for me. Cause eventually you'll make your money back because the model of worker, the money you're gonna make up here to compare, to buy, you'll make your money back. Oh yeah. You know what I, But see, Jim is saying here that the government doesn't, doesn't deem grooms as a skilled worker, but you come on now, nobody off the street can come and deal with a race horse.
I could tell you that. Well, that's, that's the thing. But they don't see that though, Sean, They don't see it that way. They may get up five o'clock. Every alone is a skill.

Not even five o'clock, four o'clock there before, before it. It's not even we. But the, there was this No, I heard, a trainer told me the other morning he had to put down one of, to get a guy, he had to put him down as an owner. Wow. You know what I mean? Things that you have to do to get these guys up. There's, there's mean, go through these loopholes, you know, you gotta find the loopholes to do it, you know?
Well, I'm so sorry to hear that because I mean, There's so much workers down here who really could come up there to help. I mean, there's no doubt about it. And it just, it's just not working out. I mean, this thing, this thing know going on in Elroy Well, I know that, I know that especially, especially when governments change or Lord, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Could the other government know Totally against immigration? So they want nobody come the country. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, so it's it's pretty, it's it's killing our industry though. That's the thing about it. I mean, it's something that we we're so passionate about, you know what I mean? It's that for you's that for John, it's down for myself, you know what I mean?

And to see that we can't, you know, keep going forward and like John has a son, Now's gonna come up here and try to establish himself as a rider here and, you know what I mean? You don't wanna see our game go down to drain like that. Right. And then he wants to be able to sit down and see if his son can do, create the, the, the things that he's, So John, do you plan to spend a lot of time in Canada when, when Slay goes up a lot more, a lot more time?

Yes. I would say a lot, but a lot more when I come up, I come up in May probably come for three weeks. Okay. First time, and then guys come back late in the summer. Okay. Okay. Okay. So saying that to John, how much have you, how much have you had to brush upon your son? How, how serious? I mean, not, I shouldn't say whole, serious.

That's a stupid question. But how much have you brushed upon his writing and seeing what he's done as a. And that you, with your experience that you were able to teach him? To be honest, not a lot. He has a lot more talent. Like did at his age, that's for sure. Wow. That's impress, That's good to hear. That's very good to hear.

So we, we we're expecting to see, uh, uh, uh, uh, a apprentice, um, champion up up here within a, a couple of months. Then know all of that. Well, hey, you got right. If you see he's got the T's good, you gotta aim for the sky. Right? So we expecting me SO'S award at the end of the season. I mean there's what other apprentice we have here?

If he got the talent that you're, that I hear guys are talking what other app we have here right now? Writing, You know what I mean? Cause Shawn mentioned it to me a lot before too. There's so many young guys down there that are writing great. And what we have here to say that one, those guys don't be able to come up here and show that how good they are.

We haven't seen a good time. Will tell. We haven't, we haven't seen a good apprentice up here in a long time, John. Well what buy, But the guys go west. The guy, the business guy wanted it last year I think. Yeah. Wanna, um, serve award from West? Mm-hmm Wood by last year. Yeah. Before Ray Williams. Yeah, Ray Williams.

That's right. There you go. You know, I know we we're waiting to see, um, you know, young Micah husbands come out, but I mean, it would hit with your son come and he come out to get it. Both of them can have a nice little rivalry going, Listen that young have a youngster here. Don know what advice you have for young Raiders and is a youngster here.

Good question. Keep smiling at work hard.

Typical johno answer. Keep at work Hard. Simple. Simple. Off a horse. That's the other thing that, Okay, don't get upset. Keep working. Horse. You get taken off all the time. You don't pay no bills, so you can't make no decision. Just keep smiling, keep working. Jesus. That's right. That's right. Good advice. And according Leroy's, man, again, you just keep doing that.

And can high talent. It will show up, It will show, it will show up. It might show up. . Very important. Well said Donald. Well said. Can't hide talent, man. You know, cuz a lot of the youngsters don't realize that you ride a horse today and tomorrow you're, you're off. You know what I mean? Yeah, I see. That just happened to Louis there y the other day and, and he wrote that Philly there now she's gone into the s now, now.

Um, so is supposed to be writing from what I'm hearing, you know, it happened to the best of us. Right. You can make no calls. Yeah. But that didn't happen to you much in your career. Of course, not me. Yeah. About a few times. I, I remember one time for sugar. Tom, the name of the horse. Can't remember, but we wanna stick, we take off.

You serious? The the next wave. Yeah. Put up Chantel. Wow. Chantel. What the horse did after that? Joel, you know, Tom put me on, I can't remember horse it was on, but
Intention

No, but, but all jokes side. No, cuz the horses one, John won all those big races. But I mean, you obviously you have to have a, a, a bull zone his back for jocks to go and take him out. You know what I mean? You still kept raise though. But that's the game. That's the game though, Sean. You know what I mean? Even as an agent, you know, it's, it is a dog eat dog world.

You know, I mean, when you, when you're in it, it's the battle. You know, everybody, you gotta sit down and, and be watching races as, as a, as a jock. So John, how many replaces and stuff would you watch and, you know, send your, your agent for, for the next, that horse the next day? Would you, were you one of those jocks that do that, that did that?

As I said, not really. I would focus more on the big races. And the big races. Yeah. Big race, I would watch, replace, whatever. Mm-hmm. of that horse, that horse the beat or whatever, whatever. Mm-hmm. . But no, I would never really go back and watch the players, but. Study it, not like how your mind would do it. Okay.

I gotcha. I gotcha. Everybody's different, right? Everybody's different. But you know, like in every race that you write and you go back and watch a replay, you might pick two or three different winners too, right? That correct. And you know how you crs and your race that you could visibly see that got any trouble?

So you would, you would pose a question. Yeah. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And some guys have that natural eye for those things. Cuz I mean, you see some things in races that you know, another guy would see. Correct. You know, and you wrote how many, you guys wrote, how many races before? So you guys can see the mistakes. As a, a talented writer of yourself, you can see the mistakes that another guy has made and that you, you personally think you know what you can do better.

You can make some corrections to what he's done. Correct? Correct. Sean, could you say the same thing as a writer when you was to write John? Well, I didn't write that he level these guys. I'm a I'm, I'm a island guy. You remember that? Come on man. . If, if you're a jock and Bobby, you're a jock. If you're a jock in the stage, you're still a jock.

Yeah. But I was heavy. You know what I mean? Somebody say excuses. Shawn man, don't, The excuses ain't gonna work, man. Yeah, but I'm telling you though, I was sounds like excuses. No, it, the one tip me don't, So that means that wasn't that good. You know what I mean? I wouldn't know John Jones or Patrick husbands put it out there.

I'm not. I was just glad they put me back on to prove a point. . And on this show that we had so far, a lot of Barbie and guys that were on this show, we mentioned our guy Ricky Griff, cuz he pav a lot of away for a lot of us up here. Could you enlighten yourself a little bit to say anything about Ricky as a or, I mean, growing up they were kind of like, Well God was my dad's friend.

Well, two rivalries I grew up, I grew up with them my whole life. Pretty much when I was a little boy, Ricky was riding in my dad's horse. Vanity Darby. I was only like nine years old. Mm-hmm. 10 years old. Went, went party Bear wanted Darby. Yes. So, yeah, I mean always when he went up there, Rick, he was always very helpful.

Me, I wanted races for Ricky up there. Mm-hmm. . That's my man. There you go. You know, I don't wanna, I don't wanna forget this guy because like I said, he pav away for a lot of us that are here right now. Cuz he was one that are the first guy to come up. Correct. Sean, was it that, Am I right about that? Yeah.
Ricky was the first barian jockey to establish Vincent Walter would've been the first to write. Right. Okay. Mr. Walter. I would buy, but Griff was the first to really establish, um, the clothes and it roots here. He came in 87. And everybody's came in 89, right? Yeah, Anthony. Anthony came with him too. Anthony happens.

They both came on vacation, that kind of stuff. So they're the pioneer guys that, um, really opened the door to what you see now. I, I made a trip when I was like 14 years old, I think. Mm-hmm. . So Canda, I stayed a few nights by Ricky and a few nights by Emil. All right. I might have been 14 or 15 then. You were writing, you had, you were started writing then too.

You started at 14? No, I was writing a bar by just came there. No, I mean, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. You started, well, not tell you all. I came out there and I stayed by Ricky for a little bit. I

did you take, did you take notes and take back home? No, That was, that was different. I was studying something different time. Oh, 14. Yeah. I, yeah. What my hearing 14 was my heroes. And those days, those were your heroes, are those days. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Maybe still are, still are my heroes. Yes. . And it, it's great to hear that though.

It's great to hear that your heroes were guys like Emam, Sammy and, and Ricky Griffel that you, you looked up to, huh? And I grow up and I grew up them. With them. With them. That's what it was. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Everybody, All of us follow those guys, man. I mean, that's why I like to, I brought that guy Ricky's name into the conversation because you know, a lot of us speak about it during the show.

Uh, so far all the Barbie and guys that came on, and I wanted to know what your, you know, the relationship and what you, what you thought about. Right. Went like, he started a train up there. He used me a lot. He was Ray boss, he always went. Mm-hmm. . No, he's very supportive of his Barian guys. That's one thing I must say because even when I had Kevin, cuz he supported him a lot too, so, you know what I mean?

So, you know, hats off to Ricky again. Right. Can't forget that guy. He's like I said, um, Chris, my name man too. Chris. Yeah, yeah. Chris Grief. Yes. Yeah. But, um, and Lero as a, as an agent have gr ever, um, give it to you for spinning them. Of course, of course. Course of course. Yeah. Good. It's all part of the game.
It's all part of the game, you know. I mean, it's all part of the, you, you are cool with it. Well, hey, it's all part of the game. You give a little bit. You take a little bit, you know what I mean? like, like John said, you know, we don't pay the bills, you know, . Well, I would like to make a quick note, a depth of gratitude to Ricky Griff.

He welcomed me into his home for the first year. I was up in Toronto in 1993, living with him and his family and learning the ropes at wood by and racetrack. Um, I fell in love. In 1993, we had Bob, Marley, Jude, Ricky, Griff, and I still love Bob Marley to this day. , that's all Ricky. Listen, the, that's all
great going, Ricky, thanks your hospitality. See, those guys didn't even paved away for us. They also shelter us, right? Yes, they did. I, when I went to, I met by Ricky in 89. I stayed by Ricky my first year. I stayed there when I went back again in 98, both times. And, and Patrick kind of take over doing the same thing for a few guys that come up too.

He also sheltered them. You know what I mean? So it's well, a tradition. A tradition. The
that called progress. Progress. You know what I, nothing with progress, nothing wrong with progress. Swimming, pool.

You go there in the summer, you get all kinds of fruit too for your, your fruit. Yeah. On a Monday party, every Monday open Friday. Monday, I gonna move out.

Jennifer Morrison. Nice to see Brett, man, Jennifer saying Thanks Jennifer, for, for supporting the show. Very grateful.

Oh man, we had, we had some fun. It's fun. It's so much. And that's me. So to see a lot of our guys get back up here, man. I saw there's three guys I see up here so far now you know that's, that, that came up from s already. Oh, is on the set.

Sean, That one is Shawn.

That that you guys running for me? Sources Sean, You guys end up making the people put a loader in that cat. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. All those places. You guys are flag shipping all those horses. ? Yes. Say hi to Bill Johno Gr said hi. Say hi to Bill. Pardon? GR said. Said you to say hi to Bill. Okay. Yeah. Griff Griff's on.
Johno on the set.

So, So John, like Sean, um, GR saying that Sean, those guys rodee a lot of horses in the cat road. What your days were like doing that or did you have some of those days too? Any cat roads? Yeah,
they study. Nice. So we want races,

But I'm glad this show is going this directional because John writing at the Garon and going to Canada, What had the Gar no. Being that experience already, Garon being, you have to be so skilled to write the Garon, was it easy for you to just fit right into wood buying? Yeah. I mean a lot bigger track, a lot more open racing, so, mm-hmm , it may learn way how to learn, but you had a base to work with, right?
Yes. You had a good start. A lot tighter environ. It's a lot. So say, say, say heart for that kinda. Great. Exactly. So saying that you guys start with more place to work with now, how about the speed of your, your traveling at cause home, You know, you go 2245 up here, home you go, What was the, what's your speed down there?

You're going at Sean. How was the difference there, John, to when you come up here to hold mean, obviously you gotta kind of angle for the turns a little bit more here. Yes, yes, yes. I know. That's what's slowing you down. The speed is speed. That, that second in three for longs really making no difference to you anyone.

Is that really? Yeah, yeah. No, I'm, I'm not talking about from that point of view. I'm talking about the point of view that now you, you have to learn to rate your horse better for the speed that you're going at. And, and by home is slower. But here, up here is quicker. All Brett Cn it's slower but quicker.

But there is slower and, and constantly angling. Angling, okay. Mm-hmm constantly in a turn. Whereas there you got big long stretch, so that's cool. Just get position and get the horse to relax, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Here you go. Be constantly looking at not getting swung wide. Not this, not that. No. Cause cause I hear some guys who say, oh man, they wait too fast.

You know? I mean stuff like that and as a writer, because I've never ridden in a race before, a road horse before, but never ridden a race. But to say, to rate your speed and know how fast you're gonna patch always says isn't that you got a clock in your head? Nobody knows really how fast they're going.

Cause you, but you have an idea. Yeah. Correct. You have idea, you know what, you know what the horse, how he feels if he's doing easier or he's struggling to do it or whatever. Yeah. And then that goes back to the same race when you win your very first race. Cause like Sean was saying, how you had the race, the line's dangling and let the horse relax on underneath you because all of us were talk, when we learned to ride home, it was always about keeping your hands down.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. And making that horse feel, you know, comfortable underneath you and still be pulling against them. Cause we had some great exercise rider home and some great rider altogether home from home. And you can still see it up here. A lot of guys, when you see them get on horses up here riding them, you some guys take a horse that's pulling with another guy that, and we sitting there, rider get on 'em and there's a complete different wig that horses is going, you know?

Yeah. So for sure, you know, when they sit there and watch the races home, it means you get the excitement from the races, but when you see the fractions, it's like, you know, you gotta come back to that reality that the turn is Yeah. But I, I also, I'm not sure that the, the timing here is, is quite right either.
Okay. Okay. What do you mean? Yeah, I'm not sure that it, it's as accurate as, as you would say, Cause we had some fast horses. We had some fast horses of Barbados, you know, had at, I mean your father, how the horse was disco dancer, them horses used to fly man at like, Listen, Ricky, Griff told me Yeah. That fastest horse he rhythm period at you bear.

Okay. No, when Greg told me so. Right. I kind of like, I. I know when Griff was in candy, he write some real fast horses too. Yeah. But, and so he, the second guy, Marvin Ra or Western Ray Heard cause , Sam said the show the other day that called Come with the best Horses written period. Yeah. And he was a good horse.

He was a, So when you hear this guy saying these sort of things that you wanna know how many sources get in the islands, then, you know what I mean? But, Well, we had some good blood legs in, in the island. You know, Sean, we had some real good bloodline butta, a Creole born in Bardos. And he came up here and did what he, Brett wrote him on one in, and I sure John did too.

You know what I mean? It was sl SL is who rode him. Right. You write him too sl who him on used to train him. Yeah, I taught, I got two wins on Satara and I quit racing. I gave the right to SL to stay with him. You see the most personable horse I've ever ridden. I, I would, whenever I book to ride him on a morning for Ron Burke hour, I would go out and say a hour straight.

And I would just tell him, walk the track and look. And he was a happy horse. Tony used to do that with him too. John used to get on and sit up, stand up there for, for whole long on him. But don't forgot, I rode in for the first night race, you know? Well, there you go. That's right. Only race he wanted Barbara.
I, The only arrest he wanted by side was not on his, but was he woke up. Wow. Right. Okay. How, how did that happen? He had like that. Okay. Oh, you were heavy then. Okay. I didn't know you were heavy then already, like that you had like 10 or, or something. He was a, I think a three old Creole and, And he woke up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well we had some really nice horses rode. Yeah. We had some real nice horses. Man, you can't, you can't, you know, take over. I mean, when we had, when we had, um, the speed horses, like see Charlie and God free, we had hot chain chi, Not hot, hot chain breeders walk. Sorry. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Those were Ries. You know what I mean? Yes. My father, my father right now was exactly, And Godfrey used to ride breeders walk. Listen, you listen. When I was younger apprentice in 1981, I rode with Donald Dan and I was fortunate to set the page for Hacha. I rodee a horse called Precision. Yes. David C first.

Yes. And I remember my orders were to go to Lee. And when the bull was ready to come make room for the bull . And I remember, look the bull go off a horse point. Hey, I and was history, you know, I mean those, those things as a youngster, man, I still remember Hacha and Precision, all those good horses, man. Well that's what I'm saying.

When we talk about speed and stuff like that, we had some horses bar basically growing our race track like crazy, man. You know what I mean? So, and we had good nice horses like turn right s and all those kind horses, man, you know, from um, Farm Up in, up in Bridge is and Thomas that rugby, rugby, rugby. They brought, they brought in some nice horses, man.

So I rodee, I rode him a couple of times too. Tom, Joe Wilson used to on him. Yeah, we, we had some good horses and Barbies of blood lying and whatnot. Dance and all, and we had all that line back home. Who was a good style Your dad had there too. John o Pardon? Pad? Padberg Pad. Pad. He had got hurt or something like that.

He, he really ran into a tree or something like that home. Oh no, that was not, not survival. Oh, you spoke about that earlier too. Pad was a good and then, yeah, but

we didn't have to go cut this year, but hopefully, um, you know, every restaurant has a day, right? Yes. Everywhere has it day. So hopefully next year we'll be able to get back our day. Yes. Yes. Well, I think people to start coming again and so on. Yeah. Foreign doesn't come for the race. Cause the World Cup, it certainly one of the races in the world, right?

Yes. Yes. A big press. These race tracks. I mean, remember the first Gold Cup in Bar Man? The crowds man. Oh my God. . Yes, exactly. I wrote in the second, I wrote in the second Go Cup. And I remember as a youngster going into the gates and you looking across the right and you thought the grass was moving cause was just peoples this.

Right. You know what I mean? It was, It was crazy, man. I mean, never forget the short one, Emil. Yeah. And that, I mean, that was, that was probably in the eighties, but that, that was 87 maybe. Stan was tremendous. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And Emil mentioned that too. You know what I mean? Like that weekend comes where you're going.

The Garon Savannah. Yes. Oh yeah. You know, that's what it was. The trip racing that we had in Bardos. Man, we have a youngster here who's keeping us on our toes, man. I mean, this youngster here is telling us, we spoke of all your Go cuts, but not que que, that's his name. Talked about it first. Please. Made this happy.

I was lovely. Told that was great. Yes. I sure That Smith, that Smith. It was very impressive. Brought Bobby Franklin was a trainer, I believe. Okay. Wow. What race That horse ran in. Go Cup. Don't cups.
See, I was still, I was here. I didn't get to see a lot. I miss a lot of gold cups, man. Yes, yes. Journal won four of them in our absence. Really? Wait, tell you. Yeah, and that was a nice one. Can, What year was that though? That was like 2004, something like that. That be 2003 or four? 2003. 2003. 2003. Well, so you went, you went four gold cups in a row?

Yes, sir. I was go for the fifth too. I decided not, not to
sure then that you allow, um, Samuels to, to get that. Just, just, just like that. Yeah. He want five. You want five? Yes. Yes, yes. Samuel went five. Who did he cable? Samuel Samuel Samuels. We talking about Samuels Samuel. Yeah. He won five. Yeah, he won five. And, um, I think I may won four mean this guys five and four didn't fight anybody else to, to win, man.

The Venice one, four. Okay. So the kid has got, the kid has got a record for the most. Yes. July he got five. Okay. And he double up on, on, on, um, on one horse. Didn't he? For, for Robert Pierce didn't win it twice for Robert. Yeah, I think with Do set do set. Yeah. That horse went it twice didn't he? Yes, Yes, you're right.

You're right, right. Oh yeah, Yeah. Nah man. Yeah, do set. Well I mean, John
even leave note races from this guy man. This guy wants so much good races. Apologies. Thanks young. Yeah. I watch good races once a good races for the good traders. Jockies. I had a good time. I had a good time. Good time was good. Good time was good time. Well spent, well spent. Mr. Jones, you flew, you flew a flag.

Well, John. Yes, yes, yes. I mean, I always said after Patrick husbands we got call John Jones as especially winning the big ones. I don't think when big races at John Jones, like I say before, how many times on the show already? Hold that, Patrick. See, he's, he didn't, he didn't get, you know, the ratings that he should get, that he deserved.

You know, he's, he's a very humble person. But yes, I mean, I think we've done well to get, squeeze all of this. I think this word is right. Squeeze good. Need more, more. I deserve,
Give more, gimme more. , more. You squeezing only juice on you tonight, boss. I dunno when this gonna happen again.

Cause people know you don't wanna talk much. No matter first. Ask this guy to show it to me, Sean. You know, like talking, know, talking. Well shop. Put it is where if I didn't like everyone say already for the night,

it. It's, it's a good thing. I'm, I'm a likable guy then. I mean, I, I, I'm happy I had made so much good friends in my journey I this business, and I'm so happy that you guys are coming one by one to share with me what your life is about, what your life is going to be. Now you're finished journal is, and I don't want people to forget this.

If you're coming to Barbados, you have to book. With Captain Jones and the legacy. Okay. The legacy time of year, you are here in Barus. Captain Jones. He's not no more. John. Say it. Say it again.
That of that Johno. I think you guys interview next. Who's next week? Oh, there. Oh, there. Well, you, you tell him he put us on his spot. He put us on Should, should we reveal it already for next week, right? You up next week? We have, we have, We have the great Sandy Holly coming next. Oh, lovely. Yes. Lovely. We're trying heavily.

That's heavily, Yeah. I remember he, Anyone with Juri here? Yes, correct. I wrote the race too. Yes. I hope, I'm hoping he remembers that also. Cause he's one, He's one of what, 7,000 races or something like that? Or six. Very nice. Always very nice to me When he was there also. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Always. Very nice gentleman.

A gentleman. A gentleman. A gentleman. Gentleman. He'd be nice to all those guys. Mine I never heard. Oh, Lauren, that was, Oh, that was Sean's horse. Yeah. Okay. John, how, how's your dad? Good. Very good. Okay. Probably struggling to stay to watch it all now, but I dunno, we keeping him awake then he said he was gonna watch, but I don't know because he would still be watching.

No, because apparently that was what message went from Ricky. Ricky was said to say hi to the bull, so Oh, right, right. Oh, I saw Bill that's watching for himself. Okay. Yeah, you heard it. Now Ricky gr was saying hi to the bill. Cause I mean, Ricky won that old jock boy. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. He was, It was great, man.

But Johno, I know gal, I know you are, you're upward fishing and stuff like that. And being, you don't wanna know, I mean, keep you back any longer. You got your business to take care of on the other side. Right. It was a pleasure talking to you. I'm so honored, so grateful that you, I I, I thoroughly enjoyed myself, guys.

Yes. I'm so happy. You know me. Hope the next person could be half is good.

Leroy. All the rest of this year will be, Have a fantastic year. Yes. I appreciate. Thank you. I'll see you in a couple of weeks. Yes. And I hope everything is well with your son and then we can't wait to see him come up the road to be successful up here buddy. We'll be rooting for him. We'll be rooting for him.

All right, guys, guys. Thanks. Bye. Callahan later. Thank you, John. All right, Mr. Jones, man, Appreciate it man. Thanks for doing this. Cool, brother. Hey guys. So well wrapping up the show, but um, what a great show it was. Yeah, it's Champion Jockey John Jones. John Jones. John Jones. Jones Jones, . That went well, Sean.

That was, that was enjoyable. Very much so. I, I hope everybody enjoyed it like we did. I mean, you know, guys like John and, and, and, and, and I mean Sam, those guys throw the whole careers there. Very little. They, this said to people, I mean, and they actually spoke, spoke for them. Y yes, yes. They never talk much.

And it, it was so great that we are having these guys or, or wetting champions who, who been to Canada and done extremely well. And we are talking to Canadian Champs also know, we just heard John, John squeeze this, you know, we squeeze him all night. So, no, he squeezed this letter. Yeah, so, and he wrote in Bardos too.

And he wrote in Bardos too. One, one in Barta, not just rode there one, he won the Gold Cup. Won the Gold Cup. Gold Cup Royal. Yeah. This is David Seal, I believe That's right. That's right. But so David Seal there. So David. Yeah. And his wife. Yeah. And his wife. But you know, I'm happy to see guys or Cindy, this with a fantastic show.

Yeah, yeah. Nice. All our listeners and watch it. Thanks all listeners. I'm really happy that you guys enjoy this show. Yeah. The first show of many. I hope to come. Um, I, I just, I dunno what to say. I mean, this is a dream for me. This is something I got you right. My side, Brett Kahan, Sean Hammer, we also, we were also bring on some more guest hosts also like myself to, you know, I mean, to change things up a little bit.
So, you know, I know there's a few guys over there that, you know, willing and ready to come in and, you know, you know, help us out and, and, and, and excite, make, make this thing so much more excited for our friends and our audience out there too. So, you know, we're looking forward to that. You know what I mean?

We definitely wanna invite new sponsors to help assist us to achieve greater things. So if you wanna promote your product services, if you're a trainer, you wanna help support Trainer Sean Hall, bring your horses to Baras. Let Sean train them for you and take home a gold cup for you. Hold you're
All in all though, we, we just want to make the show, um, what I always thought was missing in the Ensure, as I should say. I mean, everybody has a journey. Everybody has a journey and we want talk. We just wanna hear, talk. As many people. We wanna hear it here possible. Wanna hear the journey? The show is now starting.

Yeah, the show is now starting, so we can't get to everybody in the first month or whatever. We will get. Yes. We we are here for a long time and we are coming after. I have many friends out there. I I, I know many friends I could talk to. Leroy is in Canada. You could know we're working on it. Working on it.
No, you're working on it. We're on it. We're here to comments and everything tomorrow. And what?

There's Tyler here. See? Tyler's ready. Tyler ready to go? Yes. I
ready to go. So we got we got a lot of people there for your, There you go. Moham. Isham. Thank you. What was that?
Chatta.

Thank you for supporting us to support City Bar Club. I really appreciate you. Carlos, all
guys excited, man. Excited. Excited. What? Biggest John, Jennifer Morrison. Thank you so much. Mark. You mean all the support us so much for all the support. And she mentions us when she does her things. Just put me in coach. Just put

want. Come on, show man. You know what I mean? That's great. And, and I know what this shows for Horseman. About horseman and we are going to character wherever this will go. I don't know how far level. Yeah. There's Jennifer Kisses, Kisses. Yes.

Rest and all my brother rest. And see, like this, this, You're doing a great job. I'm there. The video sent out today with, um, Corsi. I shared a few of my friends. Thank you very much. So we have a lot of people interested in this horse and it saved me from, um, looking over the place. Thank you. Racing scene like Rodney Mara.

We show people, we shout them, we more we show. No, we show our people, man. We shout supporters running Last Man, Barb, to work with Lorier, the guy who did so much for a lot of us. And you were the last guy to work with him and you got what you deserve. You got everything stable. Yes. Sean, call hand. Thank you.

Thank you very much for all your support. Thank you. Good night. Good night. Good night, Sean. You love this lot. Love though, right? Look, look what you've done, Sean. Love you've created Sean. Good love man. All goes back. Someone want to be put in there? Coach, That's that's Tyler. That's time is near. You know his time is.

Yeah, don't worry. Put it out there, Tyler, me. Put it out there. . Well guys, yes. Tamora is another day. Yes. Thank you. And we walking away tonight with a big smile on our face. Yes. I mean, and we got what we expected and we could only go forward and do more now, right? Yeah. Rodney. Cool brother and Brett. Brett, great job buddy.

Great job. Thank you. Great job. Thank you. You know what? He looks like a real tech guy. Look at him. . Look at him. Man.

Guy. Just look, He just look like he looks the part looks the part looks the I'm.

You're not. You're not alone. . Keep my mind short man. Short man. Not just my real, That's my real mind. That that, that's my mind, boss. Yeah. That's my real, real buddy, dear. Know. I mean, work me and Barbies work me in Canada. Still my good friend. Yeah. Yeah. Still work. We got, We still gotta give him a knee replacement cause the knees bugging him.

I watch him walking the other day in the, He was walking. Gonna have to inject him soon, Lord,
to tuition. He's a what agent? He's agent now? Yeah. He's an agent. He joined the agent crew. He was working for Who is he working for? This here Flores experience. I Flores. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Well, I thought he was the clerk of his skill. Yeah. Today was his first draw. Well, good luck Tyron. Good luck for the luck.
Tyron. Good guy man. Good guy. There you go. Yeah, man, we're buddy there. All right. I mean every time you look to go, somebody say hi. Whoa.

Whoa man. That's great man. Thanks guys. Thanks with love, man. Really appreciate it man. You think horse Men, we just go ahead. I wanna let everyone know that this is our first episode. Um, Sean has done some other episodes in the past, some great ones, and we hope to continue. We got 11 more schedule episodes coming up in season one of Journeys, The Talk show hosted by yours, truly, Sean Hall, Hall and co-hosted by Leroy Truman.

So anytime I can hold on a technical directed by
barus.com. All right guys. Okay, wonderful show and you guys have a wonderful night and God bless.
You see? No. The problem is guys, these guy a struggle for three or four hours. Yeah. Jesus. Ask you in the morning, we'll talk. No, the cut is three or four hours and it's only what time? It's only 9 23. The told me to meet. You got tough. Brent Road. A lot of rents for me. Good.

All. No, but Jacob on me, Maybe we can get bank sponsorship. Guys, think of that. Can you pull a string there? Brent can, Let me try. Let me try, Try and pull a string for a brother. Man. There's, There's Leroy. Leroy, there's Brother Leroy. Short works for Ricky, right? Works for gr. Both of your short man work for gr.

Yes. Man. You call this coming out taxi support days, man, this youngster here. I think he's only 11 years old and he's up still watching us. Wow. Great man. This is the future though. This the future of bar This. This shows you that. We got these kids 11 years old. They're tuned in and you know. Yes, yes. Sky's the limit man.

Sky's the limit. Thanks. Lot fortune kid. I call him kid. Is 11 years old, man. I can't believe it, Man.
take Mike on me. Will do. Yes, Yes, yes. All right guys. Guys, let's wrap and we look forward to seeing you next week. I believe scheduling for Thursday next week we, Yes, next week, Thursday. Cause the Sovereign Awards is on tomorrow night in Canada. So you want to leave some room for the, the Sovereign Awards?

I believe it is gonna be streamed life. Yes, it is. For many people around the world. Can also stream in, log on and stream in to see the sovereign awards of Canada's greatest horse racing for last year awards. Great. Um, we encourage all of our listeners to also support Canadian horse racing. Correct. As we have all benefited from it.

All of us. Yes. Yes. Every one of us split and still is benefited from it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. The door still open. Still open. Yes. It's not way open. But is he not to get through some, Still getting through? Yes, yes, yes. All right guys. We should make it a lot better. So I'm hoping that happens soon. Let me just get that in.
Yes. We gotta keep pushing for it to get these guys up back up here and get them some, you know what I mean? Some work that can support their family and feed their families. Right. You know what I mean? Especially the guys that you up there. Lero too. Cause I mean, we gotta keep, we gotta keep you, man. Good guys that to keep on fighting and you doing a great job.

You know, I'm a board, I'm a board buddy. I'm a board. So again, guys, tomorrow morning comes quick. So yes, we gotta , I gotta go there and work hard again and try and find my job some for the, for next week, you know what I mean? All right, my brother, you guys again, Great job again guys. Have a good night and let's keep the good work up and let's try and, you know, keep this flow going and tomorrow we can, I can hear from my end how, how guys think about it and you guys, and we can share that among each other and see what we, what things we can, we need to, you know, straight on and stuff like that.

We will have our people, you know, telling us what they think we can better and what we can, you know, do and stuff like that. And it's, you know, teamwork goes a long way and a big shout out too, our first official sponsor of the Barber of Club, we wanna horse racing, I believe mru. Tata said there's horse racing on Wednesday, April 27th.

It's the Guineas. Yeah, the feature races race is the Guinea and it's racing will begin on the afternoon into the twilight night racing. Right. So a great. Moment for all those in Barta, come on out and support the Barta Stir Club and great racing at the Garon Savannah because all, all of us started the Garon.
We gotta support the Garon. Yes. No matter what. Yes. All right, all guys. Good night. Good night. Good night. Everyone care. Okay. Thank you. All right. Good.